But why choose when you can have both?
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I mean, the United States has, to be fair, developed a food culture that emphasizes using a lot of meat, especially over the past century or so. It's not surprising that people from an area that eats so much meat, who go vegan, are going to want to look for ways to still make dishes familiar to them
Think this post confuses veganism and vegetarianism. Also it's chemicals all the way down. Those spices? Made of chemicals.
Those alternative burgers are actually pretty tasty but also very heavy because they are imitating beef. For American fare I'd generally prefer a sandwich with deli style meats made out of tofu or seitan, or a bean burger.
BEYOND MEAT IS PEOPLE! WE GOTTA STOP'EM! SOMEHOW!
Water is a chemical. Salt is a preservative This is fucking stupid.
Ohhhh scary, buzzz words... Chemicals.
Honestly the Indian one should have just been "Here's your meal." "Thanks. It is delicious, as expected."
One of these cultures has normalised vegan and vegetarianism for centuries, the other is trying to wean a meat-obsessed population.
They are not the same thing, nor do they have the same requirements to reach their end goals
veganism was invented in the 1940s in Britain
inaccurate. Even a brief wiki would correct you on this.
saying something doesn't make it true. alluding to the existence of evidence is not the same as presenting evidence.
what on earth are you on about.
One of the earliest known vegans was the Arab poet al-Maʿarri, famous for his poem "I No Longer Steal From Nature". (c. 973 – c. 1057).
The first known vegan cookbook was Asenath Nicholson's Kitchen Philosophy for Vegetarians, published in 1849
These are documented historical facts. Not "saying something" which ironically appears to be the position you are claiming.
Did the modern name come about in the 40's? yes, that's the etymology of it. But you're treating that fact like the movement or ideology was formed at the same time, which is tremendously, provably wrong. It's like claiming gay people are a relatively new invention because the term "homosexual" wasn't coined until the 1890's
veganism is a specific philosophy, and while variations of vegetarianism predate it, veganism itself dates to the 1940s.
Most vegans in the US do not eat food that mimics meat.
Most Western butt holes cannot handle Indian food that well. The couple times I went to Indian weddings, I was clamoring for anything that would not burn my butthole. The good combined with the ridiculous amount of alcohol made the toilets cry.
It's because many people believe spicy = hot = good. And everything that's not hot is bland for them. It's a reduced palate.
Vegans existed in "the west" long before fake meat was a thing. The idea that no one in the west can cook is tiering. It's almost ironic since it only shows meme OP can't cook and is probably your typical edgy intolerant "every westerner is basic" hipster.
Americans eat like shit anyway lol, they won't notice
also people think vegan food is unhealthy but will eat carcasses raised in their own shit
I mean unless someone thinks lettuce or beans are unhealthy because they grow in dirt, this train of thought just makes no sense.
the wording was a bit of, it should spell "carcasses raised with their own shit"
I don't eat a lot of meat, but after hearing arguments like these from vegetarians and vegans, I gave up on not eating meat.
Too expensive to eat vegan and I got really fucking tired of being called fucking stupid for buying meat free alternatives. It's not worth the effort in the end.
vegan food isn't expensive. artificial meat replacements are expensive, because you're paying someone to chemically torture plants until they vaguely remind you of animals. lentils, beans, and other awesome-tasting protein sources are dirt cheap. vegan-first dishes are great and really cheap.
See, it's arrogant, and stupid shit like this that makes me wanna go get a burger just to spite ya.
"Oh fucking no!! I am torturing plants and shit blah blah blah"
No fucking wonder.
Ignoring the obvious joke you missed. If someone being a little rude is enough to make you completely give up on your ethical/moral stance, you need to grow a spine dude .
If a gay person is an ass to me i dont decide to become homophobic and blame it on them.
I'm vegetarian. Western food is so focused on meat that people often have no idea how to make a meal that doesn't contain it. My mother once asked me how to make a vegetarian version of Chicken Parmesan. So keep the tomato sauce, cheese, and spices, but swap out the chicken with pasta. Congrats you've made vegetarian Chicken Parmesan. I like to call it Spaghetti.
90% of "vegetarian versions" of dishes are just the dish without meat. 9% of the remainder are the dish with black beans and/or mushrooms
That's because most meat dishes are just vegetarian and vegan dishes with meat added to them.
Those 90% "vegetarian versions" are insulting to vegans because they are not balanced meals. Ya'll still need protein. A plain salad with no high-protein veg is not a meal. The same salad with croutons made with butter is just insulting ignorance.
I recognize your name and we haven't seen eye-to-eye in the past, but I'm gonna side with the vegans on this one here. Restaurants need to get their heads out of their asses about what a vegan meal is.
Flip-side. If you have a high-protein vegan meal and you just plop a steak on top of it, that's also not a well-balanced meal. The term often used is "heavy" (if not just "unbalanced").
It was an attempt of a joke. You know because the person wrote
90% of “vegetarian versions” of dishes are just the dish without meat.
So I wrote that meat dishes are just vegan and vegetarian dishes with meat...
Sorry. I was told by someone else I'm very literal today. I think I miss out on the joke. Are you referring to things like Lobster Mac and Cheese?
No I just meant it as a matter of perspective. Take kale with sausage for example. From a meat eaters perspective the vegan version would be kale without the sausage. But from a vegans perspective it's kale with added sausage. So instead of saying these are all (meat) dishes and the modification is to leave out the meat, you could also say it's all vegetarian dishes were you added meat.
I mean personally I'd sub it in for something with some protein, though you definitely don't need nearly the amount you get from a piece of meat.
And there’s a lot of alternatives for many different prices. I remember how people used to berate me for being vegetarian while growing up, telling me I’d die and whatnot.
Still here, after nearly thirty years.
Same for me! I have been a vegetarian since I am a child and vegan on-and-off for two decades. I am healthier than the rest of my family.
The protein-panic is induced by corporations and their influencers that sell protein powder, shakes etc.
Of all the things most people in wealthy countries lack in their average diets, protein is not it....
I think you meant to say "US food" not western food. There are plenty of dishes around the globe without meat or where meat can be left out without problems.
I get that it's a meme, but what's the problem? I'm vegetarian/flirt with veganism; it's purely for moral/ethical/environmental reasons.
Indian food is delicious. An Impossible burger on a pretzel bun dripping with grilled onions, avocado, vegan aioli and mustard with a side of steak fries? That's also delicious, in my opinion.
Meat is delicious, and that's not at all incompatible with my reasoning for being vegetarian.
Nothing against people who prefer meat substitutes. But I do think they should be brave and just abandon meat altogether. If you keep relying on meat substitutes, you haven't let go of meat entirely, I found it easy to get back to meat eating.
Being called stupid and criticizing my decisions kept me from "being brave"
Like "You're not good enough until you are this much" bullshit. If that's the attitude, then fuck no. Why do I wanna go even further into things if y'all are assholes right off the bat. Like, no. fuck you. If it's this complicated then I am going to do what has been a life of hassle free eating. My guilt is very easily wiped away like that.
Veganism is not a community or religion you join, it's your dietary choice. Why should the behaviour of other vegans influence your dietary choice? You aren't looking at other meat eater either, I suspect? Also, the meme poster isn't even vegan. They said they got back to meat eating and blame meat substitutes for it ...
I mean have you all seen the videos in tiktok about the zero hygiene they have in the street food places while preparing the food, oh my...