Um actually... Opera and Edge weren't always based on chromium!
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Chrome was not always based on chromeium. Chrome was based on Apple WebKit until 2013 when they forked WebKit and made the Blink engine.
Opera was the shit back in the early days. It could pretend to be any other browser.
Pre-Chromium Edge wasn't even that bad. Sure, the engine had its issues and there was probably a bit of Edge-specific JS on some websites, but I'm sure they would've eventually got there.
But seeing that even Microsoft abandoned making their own browser engine, it goes to show how complex it is to make one nowadays and with new web APIs/features coming out every few weeks it feels like, it's almost impossible to keep up.
But seeing that even Microsoft abandoned making their own browser engine, it goes to show how complex it is to make one nowadays and with new web APIs/features coming out every few weeks it feels like, it's almost impossible to keep up.
No, Microsoft is just historically bad at making browsers. It was not until Internet Explorer 7 that they finally implemented HTML 4 and CSS 2 without major glaring bugs.
Always weren't been
Always been't
This is why I've stuck with firefox through thick and thin
If they ever fuck up big time I'll go with the next obscure option.
Firefox with add-ons. Especially, but not only, Ublock Origin.
Add-ons are a pretty huge security risk, though. Someone was just posting an article about how tempting it is to sell out with your extension, and how many offers you actually get.
And I've already been burned once, and it's not pretty. Also nothing you can do against this.
The best solution is actually not Firefox, but Mullvad. No need for extensions, based on Tor Browser and can be bundled with a VPN that's full of other people using the same browser - so you have exactly the same fingerprint, and they can't tell you apart. Not by extensions, not by IP.
How about crowdfunding for adblockers? Now THAT is something I'd gladly pay money for.
NoScript 🤌🏻
Brave, Vivaldi, Edge and other chromium browsers are forks of the main chromium project. They can decide whether to include or exclude features from mainstream chromium.
As far as I know, Brave and Vivaldi will keep Manifest V2 extension support and said that they will not ship WEI (Web Environment Integrity).
Discord uses a modified version of electron, and it's also probably an outdated fork as well, although I am not sure about that.
Steam, in the other hand, uses CEF, which they use as a way to render it's interface and as a replacement of VGUI (a good example of this is the steam game overlay), I don't know if they will ship WEI if it ever releases in chromium as there isn't a statement from Valve yet.
Sources:
- ARSTechnica, Chrome's "Manifest V3" plan to limit ad-blocking extensions is delayed, https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/12/chrome-delays-plan-to-limit-ad-blockers-new-timeline-coming-in-march/
- GHacks, Brave confirms it will support Manifest V2 extensions like uBlock Origin even after Chrome drops them, https://www.ghacks.net/2022/09/29/brave-browser-manifest-v2-extensions-after-v3-update/
- Valve Developer Community Wiki, Chromium Embedded Framework, https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Chromium_Embedded_Framework
- Github, Discord's Electron Fork, https://github.com/discord/electron
If I missed something, please tell me!
Why is steam and discord here?
Because it's chromium bruv
This is a fucking childish take. If you don't like what Google is doing with Chrome that's one thing, but acting as if the code itself is evil is just straight-up magical thinking.
The code itself is a monoculture of browsers.
Wait STEAM AND DISCORD ARE CHROMIUM?
Yep, just like slack, spotify, and anything else looking fancy while wasting few gigs of ram to just open. They're built on electron, which is practically chrome without tabs.
Do I still use chromium when I visit the steam website via firefox?
Yeah, just wrappers. Steam wasn't untill fairly recently, but they were slowly switching to it for some time.
So that's why it runs worse now.
It's so sad that Presto didn't get FOSSed.
Technically it already depended on plenty of FOSS technologies, like gstreamer etc.
We know this from the leak which allowed to compile a working browser.
If only it was legally released, it would still be alive, I'm sure of that - there were even patches for the leaked source adding functionality and fixing bugs.
Also there’s now a DuckDuckGo browser!
Which uses the OS web view. So on macOS it’s the safari engine.
Everything on iOS uses Safari tho, Apple doesn't allow other browser engines but at least they don't nerf the Webkit version for third parties anymore!
macOS != iOS
Firefox died long ago.
It was an engine fight, and Mozilla decided not to participate.