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Does having an AirBNB setup make someone deserving of the guillotine or does that only apply to owners of multiple houses? What about apartments?

Please explain your reasoning as well.

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[–] scoobford@lemmy.zip 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I work in real estate, but I don't hate landlords or rent. I hate the idea that landlording is a job somehow.

Broadly speaking, there are two kinds of landlords.

My landlord is an old lady who owns a series of apartment complexes. I assume she is quite wealthy, but the reason I don't take issue with the situation is because she keeps up the property instead of paying a property management firm to do it. She also isn't hoarding complexes or single family homes, she owns a couple, and managing a couple of complexes with a few people under you is a full time job.

The other kind is the people I work with. Fuck them. The property owners we work with are billionaires. They own hundreds or thousands of complexes and god knows how many single family homes. They also don't do anything. They buy a complex from a builder, then they pay a property management firm to run it. All they're doing is skimming excess rent in exchange for assuming the liability of owning the complex. Except they're not even doing that, because everything is insured.

The first kind of people are wealthy, yes, but they work for a living. The second kind do not actually do anything. If we killed them all tomorrow and gave the complexes they own to property management firms or individual managers, nothing would change.

[–] JimboDHimbo@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

F*** em both. But, that's just my opinion.

[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Eh renting is something that people need, and some people prefer. At least a local woman owning a couple spots keeps the money in the community instead of an out of state owner paying an out of state management firm to pay some dude peanuts to live there and actually run it or whatever.

[–] philpo@feddit.de 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I might be biased because I am a landlord (renting out apartments in the same building I live in. All are the same size and standard I live in) and from a country with extremely strong renters protection. (You basically cannot cancel a contract unless you have a very good reason for it - only provable and reasonable personal use, massive non payment of rent over month or destruction of property counts) And I only became a Landlord a few years ago - before that I rented. And tbh,most of my small scale landlords were very pretty okay. Never had a rent increase, most repaired things pretty fast, had no issues when we moved.

We had two assholes, yes, but these at least left us in peace.

Now I try to follow the good examples. We rent out our apartments at slightly below "average market rate"(a legal definition published by the local government here) even though we would be legally allowed to go higher due to standard provided and location. But these 100€-200€ per month less I get gave me the opportunity to choose my renters much more carefully and rent out to young but very nice families-and they got something which is ideal for kids. (Big garden, playground literally opposite the house, nature reserve nearby). And they don't bother me with ridiculous things(like "too much crying babies at night"...A friend had that )while I make sure things get fixed asap. (I generally react within 24h, fix it myself if it's something small and have a list of handyman for more advanced things ready - they usually are on scene within 48h) I hope they are happy renters and stay happy - they are my neighbours after all and I would hate to see them leave. But maybe it's just me,being as left leaning as I am...

While I can understand that people are anti Landlords I am more of a proponent to limit institutional landlords/big enterprises and especially to strengthen rental laws in favour of renters. For Germany: Give renters the legal means to force repairs and upkeep on landlords (while it is in theory possible here for a renter to simply contract a company and bill the landlord once the landlord has not reacted for a certain time it is a huge financial burden, we need to change that), make it a criminal offence to rent out apartments unsuitable for living, make it easier to persecute landlords which are intentionally endangering renters (e.g. badly maintained gas heating) and most importantly, limit the way companies can force their renters to pay ancillary costs. These are paid in addition to rent here and cover heating,upkeep of public spaces,etc. - While the renter has the right to get very detailed calculations and receipts, some bigger companies simply decided to create their own companies for these things - so the garden is maintained by the Landlord Garding Inc, the power is supplied by Landlord Power Inc., etc....This is outrageous and a scam,imho. As a landlord I only wish to get a better protection/option to evict people who intentionally lie on their applications and for fucks sake,make it a proper criminal offence if you intentionally structurally damage a apartment and then simply abandon it.(Friends had a renter rip out the copper wires and then abandon the apartment. They found out later that the renter did this to 12 other landlords as well)

And tax capital income fully,for fucks sake. I get taxed, as it does not count as "financial market income". If I would sell the house to a company that I own and get my money from there? No problem then.

(BTW: My renters pay their power directly to the power company of their choice, heating is simply paid by actual use, for common electricity I can supply them below market rate as I am part of an energy collective and that's it.)

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Landlords aren't inherently evil - it's a useful job... a good landlord will make sure that units are well maintained and appliances are functional. A good landlord is also a property manager.

Landlords get a bad name because passive income is a bullshit lie. If you're earning "passive income" you're stealing someone else's income - there's no such thing as money for nothing, if you're getting money and doing nothing it's because someone else isn't being properly paid for their work.

[–] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee -4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

People have some myth of passive income. I sold all my rentals because they were taking to much time. I never turned a profit but it was good for my taxes. If you want to slum lord you can turn a profit but even I dislike those people.

[–] antlion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Market rent is basically set by current home costs. Any long term owners who have 15+ year old tax base essentially get to pocket the difference due to lower property taxes. Any newer buyer who is renting can only cover costs.

[–] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee -3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That is incorrect. I can tell you’ve never rented to people rent is set by the market. Supply and demand.

It doesn’t matter if the house cost 800k. If the market rent is 2k a month. That’s all you’ll get.

In the area where I had my rentals, the houses are 500k but the rent is only 1k. Now I bought in 2008 and only paid 120k. So only lost some money but I made it up in tax benefits.

People really don’t understand the economics of landlords. They think it’s all money in the pocket. It’s not. It’s a very thin profit margin with most the benefit being taxes.

[–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I can tell at a glance you're really bad at math. 🤦‍♂️

[–] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee -2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I am very good at math but thanks for the worthless reply.

[–] NewPerspective@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Maybe you should just give up

[–] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee -2 points 5 months ago

Ah the creepy stalker again. Creepy.

[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

AirBnB is horrible for local housing prices, because it removes long-term housing from the supply in exchange for more expensive short-term rentals. Guillotines are too nice for AirBnB owners; They should be thrown feet-first into a wood chipper.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I don't think the Airbnb we stayed at in Charleston which was just this lovely lady's extra bedroom in her house really affected the local housing market. She doesn't want to rent long term and have to have roommates, she likes having guests and showing them around her city, and we're still friends several years later, so no housing is being lost, and it's actually a good experience. A single bedroom rental isn't a big deal to me.

I'm middling about the other Airbnb we stayed at, it was a sort of apartment, but I don't know who would have wanted to live there full time, the bedroom was only large enough to get a double bed in, let alone a dresser or anything, and we slept terribly, and while the kitchen and living room and bathroom were nice enough, there was no storage and a million stairs. The guy who owns it is a friend who owns the restaurant it's above and said he never has much luck with long term renters wanting it, as it is also noisy because of the location and smells of food all the time. I think a place such as that fares better as an Airbnb too. Short term rentals should not displace housing for sure, but I'm not sure they're all bad.

[–] Cataphract@lemmy.ml 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They're all bad. Full stop. You're rationalizing with "just". That lovely lady would've downsized or eventually would've had a full-time resident (even a friend or family), there is absolutely zero incentive while she's able to take advantage of the situation. Is she a registered business and paying taxes like all the other short term stay? That second guy, come on, you're really not that blind right? No one is willing to PAY what he wants for that rental. He can get that price point he wants with short term rentals.

I hate the housing narrative because everyone plays real fucking coy when it comes to their scenario. Do we have a housing shortage crisis or not? Do we have housing for all immigrants or for refugees across the world? Is rent and housing prices sky rocketing because of demand? Like wtf, any defense is just a pity story "think about the rich people with their easy life, we might be them one day!" Every single fucker in here defending renting just wants an easy scam to get rich and hates to see their future "dream" squashed like that.