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[–] NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

This video here explains one of the issues one minute in. Definitely worth a watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh4H9qZ-_6Y&t=55

The way car companies are working around this legislation is why it's so hard to find and buy smaller sized cars (like smart cars) even if there is demand. It also makes our community less safe for pedestrian traffic.

[–] telllos@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The sad part is that Europe is seeing a lot of SUVs too. Not as big as whzt we see in the US. But they are there. We also start seeing american style pick up trucks. Luckily, people pay more taxes for these kind of cars.

[–] Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago

In Switzerland there was apparently some kind of loophole in the tax system which allowed you to register your pickup truck as a company vehicle (and pay less) even when you don’t have any company or if you are just working as a hairdresser..

[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

anyone who buys an SUV is a stupid fucker. there are other types of cars that have just as much unnecessary seat space in them. if you bought an SUV I'm talking directly to you and I'm calling you an idiot to your face. on the internet.

[–] Rouxibeau@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] bad_alloc@feddit.de 0 points 10 months ago

They are a lot more efficient in their class and might convince some ICE drivers to switch. Their range tends to be quite good. Unfortunately they have drawbacks:

  • They require a very large battery. If you don't find >150kW chargers, you'll be waiting a long time
  • More batteries per car = worse environmental impact from production
  • Road degradation grows by the fourth power w.r.t. vehicle weight. The big batteries make electric SUVs very heavy
  • SUVs are more dangerous for pedestrians due to their size
  • In a crash SUVs deliver much more energy, killing more people.
[–] mob@sopuli.xyz 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

My Ford Taurus isn't going to get into the Uintas or Wasatch range. Getting rid of my SUV will really hurt my wifes ability to release rehabilitated animals.

But, I don't want to be a stupid fucker. What should I get after I get rid of my SUV?

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Subaru hatchbacks are great off road and have about the same capacity as most SUVs.

[–] mob@sopuli.xyz 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Pretty low clearance but maybe we can get some beavers in there.

I was being snarky originally but you could have a point there.

[–] gulasch_hanuta@feddit.de 0 points 10 months ago

You are literally the only reason they should exist. One does not need such a car in suburbs or cities.

[–] Usernameblankface@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So, are they bigger and heavier, or are they equivalent?

[–] schnokobaer@feddit.de 0 points 10 months ago

That's the whole point, what good would it be to compare equivalent vehicles, when people don't drive equivalent vehicles? They drive bigger and heavier vehicles on average, negating efficiency gains of newer vehicles.

[–] Resonosity@lemmy.ca 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Rollie Williams and Nicole Conlan from Climate Town on YT talked about this on their podcast, The Climate Denier's Playbook, a few weeks ago.

Car companies, at least domestic ones, are subverting fuel economy rules by making cars "like trucks" due to a loophole in the code about Light Duty vehicles (SUVs are light duty trucks and hence get around requirements that other, smaller light duty vehicles have imposed on them).

It's the same reason we see bigger and bigger trucks that look like tanks and that you can't see children from. Those bigger vehicles require bigger engines to move, hence more greenhouse emissions.

[–] PlexSheep@feddit.de 0 points 10 months ago

Iirc, the "light Trucks" is only in US law through, right?

[–] Teppichbrand@feddit.de 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I just learned about the Tyre Extinguishers. They use lentils to depress the pin on the valve cap of an SUV's tyre, so that the tyre deflates without getting damaged. It's super effective and it's not a crime. They are called the Tyre Extinguishers.

[–] sugartits@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] Teppichbrand@feddit.de 0 points 10 months ago

I really am not, Sugartits :)