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I know data privacy is important and I know that big corporations like Meta became powerful enough to even manipulate elections using our data.

But, when I talk to people in general, most seem to not worry because they "have nothing to hide", and most are only worried about their passwords, banking apps and not much else.

So, why should people worry about data privacy even if they have "nothing to hide"?

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[–] Little_mouse@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

"But, when I talk to people in general, most seem to not worry because they “have nothing to hide”, and most are only worried about their passwords, banking apps and not much else."

Sounds like they have passwords and banking apps to hide, You should demand their bank account and credit card details to verify that they have made no illicit actions.

If they point out that they have no reason to trust you with that information, that's when you point out that police, government, or corporate groups are made out of people just like yourself. They might have some codes of conduct, or a vetting process, but it just takes one person malicious or careless enough for you to be severely impacted.

[–] lazylion_ca@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago

I may have nothing to hide, but that doesn't mean I want it on public display either.

[–] Deestan@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have done nothing illegal and nothing wrong, yet I have everything to hide.

I don't trust what judgements our governments 10 years from now wants to put on me, my family and my children based on my current loud political acceptance of trans rights, free abortion, and my express hatred of fascism.

[–] Version@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This literally happened with abortion rights in the US. People put their health data unencrypted in apps, because they „had nothing to hide“. Then the law changed.

[–] Lumidaub@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

You may have nothing to hide now but what if your (political) opponents reach a point where they have access to your data and the (political) power to use it? What happens if they don't like your opinions which (you think) you don't have to hide now?

My opinions may mostly align with the current general consensus in my country and since I'm not politically active I am rather unlikely to be harmed because of my opinions in the foreseeable future (unless I call someone 1 Pimmel). But there are certain developments that are troubling and there are people who don't like what I've said on the internet (duh). Now, I'm not exactly anyone important and realistically there are far more important targets than me personally. But still, it's not unthinkable that the things I've said (things I've looked at on the internet, things I've bought, things I've like/upvoted) might be used to my detriment if certain people came into a position where they have access to any stored data on me.

This applies regardless of your political leanings. If data exists, no matter how harmless it may seem, there's always the possibility of people who REALLY don't like it getting access.

[–] charonn0@startrek.website 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Cite historical examples of seemingly innocuous and public information falling into the wrong hands.

e.g. The Nazis used demographic records (marriages, births, christenings, etc.) in conquered lands to ID Jews and other "undesirables".

[–] Platomus@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The couldn't the person just cite all the times that hasn't happened?

[–] charonn0@startrek.website 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think so. Examples of it happening demonstrate that it can happen. OTHO, examples of it not happening does not demonstrate that it cannot happen.

[–] Platomus@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Just because it has a chance to happen doesn't mean it's an inevitability.

Feels like an example of confirmation bias.

I'm not even saying I agree. I think privacy is important. I'm just playing devil's advocate for the OPs question.

[–] charonn0@startrek.website 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It doesn't have to be inevitable in order to serve as an example of what can happen when even seemingly innocuous information falls into the wrong hands. It's happened before, and the consequences were horrifying. It will happen again, particularly if people refuse to learn from the examples of history.

Information is knowledge. Knowledge is power. And power in the wrong hands is dangerous.

[–] Platomus@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That feels like a scapegoat argument. That reduces down to "bad things happen when bad people do bad things."

You can argue against anything when you say that.

"Dentists should be outlawed because some dentists have abused their clients " Isn't a fair argument either.

[–] Kissaki@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

You have to put the risks into context with upsides. Dentists serve a verifiable and vast positive. Can you equate that to sharing personal information?

IMO at least not generally, as a generic statement.

[–] Camzing@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Do you have curtains in your house? Can I look at your income tax records and all purchases made on your visa and bank card?