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This is why I'm glad I live in the US
Edit: this was mostly a joke. I think some of you took this personally
Yes because if you had tethered bottle caps that would be your biggest issue.
I can choose to have tethered bottle caps or untethered bottle caps. Can you say the same?
Man we don't even have healthcare or widespread public transit. Abortion isn't even legal everywhere anymore.
Our country is rapidly falling apart before our eyes. Just stop man.
I know they're supposed to be ~~good~~ less damaging for the environment but... God I hate those caps.
I only buy one of those plastic bottles every two months, so that's okay for me. The good water comes from the tap, cola or other drinks I buy in glass bottles.
It's not just soda bottles here, it's milk bottles, cream, fruit concentrates... Anything in any kind of plastic container with a screw-on cap.
Actually the soda bottles are the least egregious examples. The milk bottles are terrible: you're 100% guaranteed to spill milk if you don't detach the cap.
In Germany milk usually is sold in a carton or a glass bottle. I can imagine it is annoying for you.
I agree with the mission of this new cap, but my thoughts were this: Coca Cola, PepsiCo, these brands are... so inhumanly big, their budgets are SO extremely deep and large. And this cap? This cap is the best they could come up with? There is not a grain of my being that can believe that. What I do know about these corporations, is that they hate working together to reduce waste. Anytime a bottle deposit system is expanded they basically stamp the floor angrily until the law forces them to adapt or get out, at which point they use the new hated rules in their marketing as if the planet was all they were thinking about all along. Right..
This cap is essentially psychological warfare against the consumer, to form negative thoughts about being responsible with plastic waste. It's purpose is to make you angry about the new rule, while still adhering to it.
Fuck you big food products inc, I hope we introduce a deposit system on fucking everything so you can all sit in the boardroom and cry about it.
their budgets are SO extremely deep and large. And this cap? This cap is the best they could come up with?
You're assuming that there was an expensive program to replace the entire bottling line and redesign the bottles in order to meet the EU regulation while achieving satisfactory user experience.
What likely happened is that the engineers in charge of the cap design were told to change as little as possible and came up with a design that only required changing the cap moulds. Everything else got to stay the same, saving the company's budget for other things
Spot on. For this, only the bottle cap production changed, the bottling process for beverages hadn't to be touched at all.
Additionally, the new caps use less materials, so they also save the company money.
This cap is essentially psychological warfare against the consumer, to form negative thoughts about being responsible with plastic waste.
Are u OK? How is it meant to make the consumer think they are responsible?
"This is annoying. Fuck those lefties for forcing me to have to deal with this, fOr ThE eNvIrOnMeNt."
Am i the only person that likes the new caps? They prevent me from dropping them
Like them too. Felt odd when I got one the first time, but now I just don't mind it. The cap doesn't get in the way, and it's easy to put back on
They are really well designed too. They lock into place when flipped 180 degrees (drinking mode) and don't interfere at all while drinking.
Yes I hate them as well, they always get in the way and putting the cap back on is super annoying.
However, since these bottles were introduced data has shown they work. Bottle caps were one of the most found items in trash picked up from the streets. The number of bottle caps has gone way down since these were introduced.
So I've accepted them. Can't argue with data. I've never returned a bottle without a cap in my life. I've never thrown away a cap separate from the bottle. But turns out the world is full of psychopaths who throw the cap in the street. Probably the same kind of person who throws their trash by the side of the road from their car. Fuck those people.
Can you link the source of the data? I wondered, if this actually helps at all.
If the manufacturers would not use the cheapest caps with the least amount of flimsiest material available for this application, they could even be usable…
I don't get it.
It stays open, you can drink from it, you can pour from it, you can pour into it.
What action does the cap staying attached prevent, warranting its detachment?
I'm seriously asking. I don't get it. What inconvenience?
It gets in the way of everything all the time
That said, i have seen good and bad examples of this.
No it doesn't? I buy a bottle of something every day, these have never been trouble. Not once.
The first time I noticed it I thought, "neat" and that's it.
How does it get in the way? You open it and it stays there. Out of the way of anything you might use a bottle for.
Are there different ones? Because I've only ever seen the one, and it's the same one everyone hates on in pictures and videos online. Yet people say there are good ones and bad ones?
I don't get it.
Maybe your bottles are different, but the bottles here in Germany have a very short "leash" and are often connected to the right in two places, so it constantly pushes in your face when drinking.
If an actual problem would have been solved, I'd be fine with it, but it's just a pointless law which only exists to create the illusion of progress and shift blame onto consumers.
Rotate the bottle 90 degrees so the cap goes to the side of your face rather than mashing it into your nose.
...then it scratches my cheek.
Why is it so hard to understand that a useless piece of plastic in your face might be unpopular?
If that's the biggest annoyance in your life, I want your life!
It's not, and it's disingenuous to imply that this is what I wrote.
You're building a straw man.
I guess because I've got used to it now and it's entirely a non-issue in my life, I wouldn't say it scratches my cheek at all.
If it means less microplastic in the sea, I'm all for it
And even that is dubious.
How many of the caps are actually reaching the ocean and is that actually a way to reduce that?
I mean, how about a European refund system? Works perfectly fine in Germany and actually makes recycling a bit easier?
These caps are empty gestures as I described above.
I can't see how attaching them wouldn't increase the rates at which they're recycled.
You can believe this was never a problem perhaps, but then you've got to wonder why the change was made—no one is gonna profit from the design of bottle caps changing, so what's the motive for the change if it's not a problem? Contrary to the somewhat common belief, politicians tend to try and not waste time on useless legislation.
A refund system costs money, this change basically doesn't.
It was implemented as a symbol. I described it above.
The entire idea, similar to the carbon footprint, are attempts by the fossil industry to shift responsibility away from them and towards consumers. We from BP and BASF would love to stop pollution, but you guys keep throwing away the bottle caps! So they lobby the European Parliament to enact such regulations, the Parliament can act like they actually did something and the industry can keep producing plastics.
Yes, other solutions would cost more money. But these solutions would have at least a realistic chance to change something.
Remember the straight cucumber regulation? That was demanded by the retail industry. So it's not like the EU doesn't enact regulations for some lobby groups.
And if you think these caps are doing anything, the fossil industry fooled you successfully.
Yes I completely understand the lobbying the fossil fuel industry does and the tactics they use.
This is not the only policy from the EU regarding climate change however. If it was, I'd be with you that it's absolutely not good enough.
No one is sat thinking we've solved climate change and plastic pollution by making plastic bottle lids slightly differently, and given this thread it clearly carries a negative sentiment. So it's a pretty bad symbolic gesture.
We currently have a problem with microplastics.
I fail to see how this change will not increase the rates at which the lids are recycled.
This change was basically free, so even if it only moves the needle slightly, it was a change worth making.
There's no silver bullet for fixing the problem, pretty much everything has to change, and this is just one of those many changes.
Ask yourself these simple questions: where is micro plastic coming from? And what would be a good lever to reduce that? Bottle caps are not the answer for any of that.
So the result is barely any change in the amount of plastic introduced in the environment, the real big sources (for example the plastic wrapper around the bottles, and around the pallets of bottles) are untouched, but people (like you) become complacent, because we added those cap straps after all!
Yes, reducing even a bit is helpful, but it's far from being free, because this exact bullshit makes people ignore the real problem. Your view is far too myopic.
Less plastics on your streets, in your yards, and fields, is also an important goal
Then introduce a refund system. Has been proven to work in Germany for over 20 years.
And as I wrote in another comment already: these regulations are a distraction so that the real problems can be ignored. They are actively harmful.
I seriously don't understand how people have problems with these, they're absolutely fine. Not hard to use, doesn't get in the way and you'll never lose them. And if all else fails you can just pull them off, not hard either. You gotta be dumb as fuck to have problems with them.
As with anything else, I'm absolutely certain this is the classic "something changed so I'm going to be mad about it and make up a bunch of reasons why it's bad" thing that happens to every little change anywhere. And what is some tiny inconvenience compared to lessening plastic waste, helping the environment and hurting less living beings? Stop being such spoiled little shits and pull your heads out of your asses.
There definitely is an element of people just not liking it because it's new, but there's also an element of not getting any say in it whatsoever.
Also, they really do get in the way. They make it harder to get a good seal between your mouth and the bottle at any angle, and at the top they hit your nose. They are slightly harder to use, especially if you're using one hand for any reason, including if you only have one hand. Removing them without tools results in a sharp bit of plastic which pokes and irritates your skin.
Finally, this is another patronising effort which makes consumers lives more difficult (by whatever amount) while not doing enough to combat plastic waste.
just use it as intended instead of trying to rip it off