I have been seeing a lot of animal abuse posts on here lately. I hadn't noticed 196 being like that in the past on here or Reddit. Is there a trend toward that for this community in general? I'm well aware of how fucked the industry is, but I also don't sub to this community for that. I am here for little gay people shit posting in my phone. These just make me sad. I can't personally do anything to stop this. I don't want to unsub, and there's not a great way to filter, unless it's all the same OP? :(

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

You can go vegan and stop giving these people money

[–] shneancy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

this won't stop the fact it'll keep happening and keep making people sad

[–] inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You sound like queer people in the 80s and 90s.

"What does it matter if one person accepts me? Won't change anything and it just bums me out."

Now, acceptance is the default position for most folk.

[–] shneancy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

as a queer person in the now I do not think this is comparable, at all.

[–] inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Well, as a queer vegan. Its really hard not to notice that bigots and carnists say the same sort of things.

"You're just trying to feel special." "It's unnatural, your gentials/teeth were evolved for a specific use". "Stop trying to convert kidsto your cult." "Queer/vegan people always think they are so enlighted."

But more to the point, defeatism is always an easy excuse to do nothing. But individual actions can have ripple effects through generations. Do you think that those at stonewall would expect an entire month celebrating their actions? Enough people making a choice not to support animal agriculture puts the concept out of business. Do I expect that or liberation soon? No. But it's gotten LIGHTYEARS better on both fronts in my own lifetime.

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

But feeling guilty as well as sad would be even worse

[–] VictoriaAScharleau@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

vystopia isnt any fun either

[–] littlecolt@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Similar to recycling, the impact is small. There must be large systemic change. My adoption of a vegan diet, or my diligent recycling of aluminum and plastic, is a drop in the bucket.

[–] threeduck@aussie.zone 2 points 2 months ago

Couldn't that logic be used against literally any good action? Like giving $100,000 to a malaria charity isn't going to stop malaria. If everyone thought like vegans, the world would be vegan, the climate crisis would almost entirely be averted, rivers swimmable, billions of animal lives saved each year.

If during your supermarket shop, you use vegan recipes instead, you'll be one of those dominos. You could be the systemic change!

[–] usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago

The issue is how then do you get that systematic change? Governments are going to be extremely hard to convince to do anything as along as people expect to consume animal products en mass. It's going to have to start with individual action until systematic change is palatable

And with systematic action, it's still going to have to involve change in consumption in the end. Factory farming is pretty much the only thing that scales. Want to avoid it? We're going to need to see great drops in production and in turn consumption

The impacts of people taking action do add up. For instance, in Germany there's been declines in per capita meat consumption over the past decade

In 2011, Germans ate 138 pounds of meat each year. Today, it’s 121 pounds — a 12.3 percent decline. And much of that decline took place in the last few years, a time period when grocery sales of plant-based food nearly doubled.

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/23273338/germany-less-meat-plant-based-vegan-vegetarian-flexitarian

[–] ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago

Trolls found out they can post here with impunity, so they do so.

[–] MilitantVegan@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It might still not be popular to be vegan yet, but the movement is growing rapidly. It could be a symptom of a larger trend - that the injustices against non-human animals is too terrible to keep Ignoring.

Sometimes it just needs to be recognized that a problem isn't going to go away until we start doing the hard work of solving it together.

[–] littlecolt@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago

That also wasn't my point at all. I'm making no statement here about veganism. I'm saying 196 isn't a vegan activism community and these bummer posts are obnoxious.

[–] debil@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I can't personally do anything to stop this.

You can always upvote or share a post like this to spread awaraness and hence maybe make people buy less eggs, or at least make them pause to think before they buy their next eggs.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

"i don't want to see shit like this"

"you can upvote it so more people see shit like this as well"

thanks, very cool

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Chicken egg farmers sell eggs.

They don't hatch those eggs.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

But if they want to always have chickens to lay eggs...

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Then they buy them from hatcheries

There is more to hatching an egg than just sitting on them, they need to be fertilized.

[–] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

That's only in industrial egg production. If you're a local farmer and you need to dispose of the males, your go to quick and painless option might be a potato sack or your hands.

[–] alx@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

maybe, but you can’t feed a population on backyard farms. If everybody wants to eat eggs, there has to be a massive production, and it will be this kind of hell. The only logical way to prevent this is to stop treating animals as resources. We are perfectly able to feed with plants, we know how to get every necessary nutrient. Animal agriculture needs to stop, and if we’re truly leftists, we have to stand against any exploitation. How could we evolve as a society if we continue to use sentient beings as mere resources?

[–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 months ago

Chickens are domesticated to the point that they cannot survive in the wild / have no ecological niche. Without some small scale animal agriculture like backyard chickens they would go extinct, though you could argue it's for the best.

Personally I think small-scale egg farming is not exploitative when the chickens are treated well.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I'd think they could genetically engineer the egg layers to only produce males in certain conditions (such as when they're incubated at a higher temperature), then only breed males when they need more roosters.

OR, if sex is selected by sperm type (as with humans) artificially inseminate the hens.

I suspect there are dozens of valid technical solutions that are cost effective and would allow them to not shred male chicks.

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You're thinking about turtles

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 months ago

And why not think about turtles? I ask. 🐢

[–] usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago

They don’t scale super well at the moment. See my comment elsewhere about just that

https://lemmy.ml/comment/11760500

[–] lefixxx@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Don't they gender the eggs now? They just don't hatch the male ones.

[–] Johanno@feddit.de 0 points 2 months ago

I mean shredding males to nuggets is also financially viable.

[–] Johanno@feddit.de 0 points 2 months ago

I mean shredding males to nuggets is also financially viable.