I have an avarage travel of 45-55 minutes from my home city to the city I work in. By car and by train, while the train is usually on the slower end. It takes about 20-30 minutes to get from my home to the train station by taking the bus or riding the bike. When taking the bus I also have to factor in about 15 minutes between arrival at the station and departure of the train. Then there is another 20 minutes from the train station at destination to my place of work. So it takes me 40-65 minutes longer taking the train… twice a day, making it 1:20-2:10h a day (when Im lucky bc trains over here have frequent delays). One hour ish doesn’t sound like much? Well you’ll feel it if you working 11-12h a shift or a 9-10 hour a day in a normal 9 to 5 job (starting work at around 7 a.m.).

Then there is a neat little think called night or late shifts. There is no way I’m gonna take the train here. They either take an hour longer or the bus at my home city does not drive anymore on the way back.

Demand better public transportation. Demand functioning trains and frequent bus and tram connections. But do not tell people that need to take the car for whatever reason, that they should just take the worse option and make them feel like the problem.

I hate cars. I hate driving. And I love taking the train or taking the bike within my city. But sometimes I just have to take the car. That is not my fault tho, since public transportation is not the main focus of politics over here. And thats what needs to change globally.

[–] zerofk@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

When I switched from using the bus to going by bike, i cut my commute time by more than half. If I were to take the car, it would halve again. Public transport is great, and necessary. But it will never be faster than a personal car for anything but large distances.

[–] Flumsy@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

... where you live. Where I live (in central Europe) we have a subway every 2-3 minutes and you're at worst 2 blocks away from a stop. It all depends on the infrastructure. A subway cant be stuck in traffic...

[–] IkarusHagen2@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Just say central european city.

I too live in central europe and the bus line i could take from my town to the town i work in takes 1 hr to get there and back, at the end of my day the bus only departes one hour after i'm finished with work so i have to wait for the bus the same amount of time i need for both ways with my car.

[–] dafo@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They should really say a European city with a subway. Not all cities in Europe have a subway.

[–] Flumsy@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

It was pretty obvious from my comment that I live in a European city with a subway...

I didnt say my comment applied to all European cities either.

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I tried taking my family out on a weekend on transit. 40 minutes wait for a bus that had any room, an hour to travel 10km, and it cost us $10 each way for the family. I live in a major city but our transit is trash. It's not fit for a city of this size.

[–] ahto@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It’s not fit for a city of this size.

Tokyo would like to have a word with you. It's not public transit in and of itself that is the issue, it's the implementation.

[–] candybrie@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I think you read that wrong. They aren't saying public transit doesn't work in a city that size, but the public transit in their city isn't up to the standard it should be for a city that size.

[–] ahto@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

You're right, I see it now. My bad!

[–] doofer_name@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

That sounds horrible. Public transportation is such a vital thing for citys to function properly as a place to live and not just work in. And dont get me started on small towns or the countryside where not owning a car basically means you’re fucked. I cannot wrap my head around how politicians just fail to see this. Climate change might be the most urgent, but by far not the only argument for better public transportation.

[–] cadekat@pawb.social 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

How likely is it that your home and work are 20 minutes away from train stations because your region prioritizes cars?

[–] doofer_name@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

Its not just likely, thats the case. But living in the inner city is expensive here. And thats the case in most of the country.

[–] histic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'd love to see someone bring a shopping cart amount of groceries on a bus or train

[–] psud@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Buses where I live have a cargo rack at the front. If you had four bags of shopping (though that's really quite a lot - the bags are big) you would tie the tops closed and leave them in one of the racks until you reached your destination

[–] snausagesinablanket@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If you had four bags of shopping (though that’s really quite a lot - the bags are big) you would tie the tops closed and leave them in one of the racks until you reached your destination

Along with the 75 other passengers doing the same thing?

And what if it's paper goods and raining like fuck?

[–] psud@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's rare that more than three people on a bus are doing shopping
Carry an umbrella, and isn't everything wrapped in plastic now?

[–] Nobsi@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's rare because everyone else is shopping by car
If we got rid of cars then it woudln't be rare anymore. Think!

[–] psud@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Nope. Lots of people can walk to the shops. We have suburban centres typically 15 minutes walk away

[–] Nobsi@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

Can doesnt mean do. Most people drive distances that are longer than 8 minutes.
If the argument to give up the car for shopping and to replace it with a bus is countered with the amount of bags on the bus, then your counter to that cannot be to just walk.

Did you forget what you were arguing?

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I love how people just come up with this shit with their knowledge of their local area. Any train here requires driving to, and does not come and go frequently, and takes longer. Our infra is terrible.

On the flip side, some places have awesome infra and I wish I had that. I'd prefer to pedal bike if I could. But where I'm at you're very likely to be killed without bike lanes or sidewalks, and it would take hours to get anywhere important - IE work.

[–] doktorseven@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Also mobility issues factor in. There is no better way for such people to get around. This anti-car movement is ableist.

[–] Nobsi@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

Still no. You can stop claiming that now, you've been proven different many times already in all the other threads.

[–] quantenzitrone@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

all the mad car lovers in the comments lmao

[–] SternburgExport@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

I love cars and I love driving but commuting by car just sucks in every possible way.