Four telecommunication cables connecting Finland out of service : world

[–] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago

[–] quinceyBones@lemmy.zip 97 points 2 days ago (3 children)

How many not-attack attacks are required until retaliation is on the table?

[–] bluGill@fedia.io 33 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Best retaliation is more arms to Ukraine - a war that is already in progress and so you don't risk starting a new war.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 48 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They say once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, and three times is enemy action. Seems we're past that now.

[–] baggins@beehaw.org 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We all know it was Russia. They'll never admit it and spout some bollocks about western conspiracy theories. Just seize all their ships and property. Anyone trading with them gets 30 years in the slammer.

Patton was right, we should have dealt with the problem in 1945.

[–] ClassyHatter@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Problem here is that these ships aren't Russia's vehicles. Eagle S, the one that most likely caused these damages, is registered to Cook Islands, and is owned by Dubain company. And then there is international maritime law, that among other things doesn't allow blockades.

[–] baggins@beehaw.org 2 points 1 day ago

If it wasn't for that pesky maritime law :-)

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Denmark and Sweden should just close off lake NATO to all non nato shipping. And any non nato ship that is allowed will have coastguard personell onboard during their stay in lake NATO. The cost of the operation is levied as toll on the ships.

[–] Wooki@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Or Military takes all ships causing damage as compensation.

[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

it's them damn sharks again ain't it?

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 day ago

CHOMP

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

KGB is recruiting sharks now? 🤔

[–] uis@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

KGB are buisness sharks now

[–] ClassyHatter@sopuli.xyz 36 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Also a power cable Estlink 2 was cut. Finnish authorities have seized a vessel called Eagle S for likely having caused the damages. Finland's border guards were close by when it happened, and they saw that Eagle S's anchor was missing.

EDIT: YLE’s news about it in English: https://yle.fi/a/74-20133516

[–] GrumpyDuckling@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

Should have paid the bill then.

[+] DarkCloud@lemmy.world -58 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Yes, yes, then they observe repairs, duration ect, and come up with a plan for grow to delay further, so they can then use the information in the coming war.

Here's an idea: execute the crew, seize the vessels, use loyal Chinese speakers for a mock return journey, monitor the radio (eg. do counter intelligence).

Keep those executions up, see how often it happens after you execute a few boats worth of officers. If that doesn't work, blockade the Strait of Malaca, the path China imports their oil by.

Oh, you can't do any of this because you outsourced all your manufacturing to China in the 1990s push for privatization screwing the local working class over?

Capitalism is dangerous for national security.

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 68 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Summarily executing people over circumstantial evidence is also bad for national security. Glad you aren't involved in international geopolitics.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

If you're fine with Luigi Mangione, you should be fine with executing foriegn spies who want worse for your Nation than even health insurance CEOs.

Cable cutting ship full of spy equipment

It comes down to the fundamental question; do you think a nation has to use deadly force to protect itself. If you say no - (including what Luigi Mangione did), then you're the reason billionaires rule with impunity, because there's no consequences to defrauding the nation, to spying on it, to plotting it's demise, or attacking it's infrastructure.

People need to understand, if you want to protect democracy and freedom, you have to be willing to kill for it. That's all that politics comes down to, where that force is directed. You say: No, kill no one, then you will not have a nation as soon as an invading army knows this weakness.

"No" means you do not want to have a nation. That's a pipedream.

[–] mlfh@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Plot twist, it's donald trump's lemmy account.

[–] Tyfud@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Way too well written and coherent

[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago

FACTS!

[–] Linktank@lemmy.today 4 points 2 days ago

Not a single sentence ALL CAPS FOR EMPHASIS? Can't be.

[–] Free_Opinions@feddit.uk 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

execute the crew

Yeaah, I don't know about the rest of you but this is not the world I want to live in.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If you're fine with Luigi Mangione, you should be fine with executing foriegn spies who want worse for your Nation than even health insurance CEOs.

Cable cutting ship full of spy equipment

It comes down to the fundamental question; do you think a nation has to use deadly force to protect itself. If you say no - (including what Luigi Mangione did), then you're the reason billionaires rule with impunity, because there's no consequences to defrauding the nation, to spying on it, to plotting it's demise, or attacking it's infrastructure.

People need to understand, if you want to protect democracy and freedom, you have to be willing to kill for it. That's all that politics comes down to, where that force is directed. You say: No, kill no one, then you will not have a nation as soon as an invading army knows this weakness.

"No" means you do not want to have a nation. That's a pipedream.

[–] Free_Opinions@feddit.uk 0 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

People need to understand, if you want to protect democracy and freedom, you have to be willing to kill for it.

The police quick response unit stormed the ship wielding guns. They were willing to kill and luckily they didn't have to. There's absolutely zero need to execute the crew. That's an insane thing to suggest.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 0 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

They were enlisted in espionage, it's the ONLY way to respond if you have any respect for western freedom/democracy.

Do you want a foriegn invasion or corruption of western democracy, freedoms, rights? No, of course not. Do you have the people responsible caught redhanded, yes. Do you want to send a message to never do this again, or that there's swift and harsh consequences. Yes. Death is a good deterrent.

[–] uis@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

execute the crew

Ahh, muricans.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

If you're fine with Luigi Mangione, you should be fine with executing foriegn spies who want worse for your Nation than even health insurance CEOs.

Cable cutting ship full of spy equipment

It comes down to the fundamental question; do you think a nation has to use deadly force to protect itself. If you say no - (including what Luigi Mangione did), then you're the reason billionaires rule with impunity, because there's no consequences to defrauding the nation, to spying on it, to plotting it's demise, or attacking it's infrastructure.

People need to understand, if you want to protect democracy and freedom, you have to be willing to kill for it. That's all that politics comes down to, where that force is directed. You say: No, kill no one, then you will not have a nation as soon as an invading army knows this weakness.

"No" means you do not want to have a nation. That's a pipedream.

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