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[–] alquicksilver@lemmy.world 314 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Speaking to CBS, the BBC's US partner, on Sunday, Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas said that the online rhetoric has been "extraordinarily alarming".

"It speaks of what is really bubbling here in this country," he said. "And unfortunately we see that manifested in violence, the domestic violent extremism that exists."

Did he care about the domestic violent extremism before it started to affect the wealthy? What about the domestic terrorists who go after the queer community, POC communities, women, doctors providing reproductive healthcare...the list goes on.

Violent extremism isn't new here. It's just that this one affects people with power.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 102 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

Yeah, the rules of society say they won and they think all the losers beneath them just have to accept it. The social order and status quo are great for them. That something would violate it is extremely disturbing to them and provokes an emotional response.

I think that's why they seem to be so clumsily overreacting to the murder. Maybe it's working in segments of the population I don't see, but everyone in my social network is either outright happy it happened or at least get why it happened. Some will have perfunctory "murder is wrong" statements, but the thrust is about what a corrupt and evil business health insurance is. That's all the way up to the boomers and crosses political boundaries.

Things like the perp walk, excessive charges, and corporate comedy pretending everyone just thinks Mangione is a bad guy just highlights the us vs. them of class war rather than trying to somehow quell or redirect the bubbling unrest. I think they're doing this because their peers and masters are emotionally demanding a visible and recognizable show of power and obedience. If they knew what was good for them they'd be triple-timing it to make some token effort to reform the system, but even a token effort in response to the killing of a rich person would infuriate them, so clumsy performances it is.

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 56 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

When my usually "civil" boomer dad said he gets why he did it and wasn't outright condemning him, I knew the ruling class wasn't in control of the narrative as per usual this time.

[–] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 49 points 1 week ago (1 children)

My 75 year old Canadian aunt laughed when I showed her this

Everyone hates these people except the people who want to be these people.

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 35 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I'm actually rather impressed that so many people get what's actually happening here. I don't know if it'll ultimately amount to anything, but it shows that it is actually possible to get through to people sometimes. It's a shame that no avenue but violence has been left to us to do so.

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[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 86 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

You’ve got far right militias blowing up America’s electric grid infrastructure, threatening politicians, having standoffs on federal property, and patrolling hurricane impacted areas trying to capture federal employees that are there helping, and I’ve never heard those people referred to as terrorists.

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[–] BmeBenji@lemm.ee 41 points 1 week ago (2 children)

What about the domestic terrorist corporations who assassinate whistleblowers? Or are there so many hands involved there that it’s not worth the trouble to dismantle those terrorist organizations?

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[–] lemmylommy@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

What about them? They just got their picks elected as the next president and dipshit-in-chief.

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 220 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (14 children)

His lawyer made a great point about how law enforcement and the media threw "alleged" out the window and just insisted he did it...

What's disappointing is it's apparently working because when I do see and "allegedly" thrown in, people are down voting it like it's a conspiracy.

People always want to act like propaganda can't effect them, but the whole country immediately accepted that he was guilty because of a tiny change in reporting from the norm.

But especially with the wrinkle that someone brought it up to the McD's worker and then she snitched....

I think the cop's have a reason they're sure, it's just they got that reason illegally thru means we're not supposed to know they have. Which explains a lot of shit.

[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 87 points 1 week ago (14 children)

Frankly I still question if he’s a lookalike scapegoat so the police can save face and try to put it to bed. May also explain the odd “planted” evidence that is being mentioned.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 63 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Eh, if he was a real random fall guy, they wouldn't have picked a rich handsome guy in his mid 20s.

Like, it's almost most definitely him...

But fuck the cops, fuck the wealthy, and fuck the healthcare industry. They need to prove it beyond reasonable doubt and all those groups are habitual liars.

So if I was on the jury, they'd need a lot of evidence and need to be able to explain how they got it. They used some illegal spy tech shit because it's a rich victim? Then all evidence gained after gets thrown out.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, and NYPD wouldn't have gone so far out of state so quickly. If I was trying to grab a fall guy as fast as possible, I would have picked up the nearest criminal I knew that looked vaguely like him and might have had motive.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 38 points 1 week ago (9 children)

wouldn’t have gone so far out of state so quickly

Nah, that part I get, they knew shooter came in on a bus, so they grab someone on a bus.

The gun, silencer, and manifesto could have been from the central park bag.

It'd just be crazy they wrapped the one guy on a Greyhound bus with generational wealth.

His best defense is pushing that angle, the "but how did you find me?"

Like, this part has barely been mentioned:

Authorities said a customer in the restaurant thought he matched the description of the suspect in Thompson's killing and notified an employee, who called 911.

https://www.newsweek.com/mcdonalds-worker-luigi-mangione-private-security-1999217

To me it's more likely that customer was a fed or law enforcement, they already knew he was there, they just needed a legal way to act on that. There's been a big push to put all the blame on the fast food worker, but I have a feeling stuff like that would have kept happening and may not even have been the first person told.

It's no "jet fuel can't melt steel beams", but you could build a legal defense on this that results in all charges thrown out.

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[–] moody@lemmings.world 42 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I feel like people want it to be him because they want to know who did it, not because they're angry but because they want someone to identify with.

Without wanting to sound like a conspiracy nut, the evidence against him is too convenient. I mean sure he probably did it, but who plans the murder of a high-profile target, escapes the initial manhunt, and then walks around carrying the murder weapon, multiple fake IDs, and a manifesto basically confessing to it? And if you're the type of person to write a manifesto and expect to be caught, why would you run away in the first place?

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yeah, the whole thing doesn't make a lot of sense to me. He went through all that effort to not get caught in the first place, but then just kept the murder weapon, backpack, same outfit, and everything? Unless he wanted to get caught, but then why did he run at all?

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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 151 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Its fucked up the news is acting like Sandy Hook wasn't a decade ago. All this guy is accused of is shooting a CEO.

[–] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 56 points 1 week ago

Sandy hook was instead normalized, and happens multiple times over across the nation annually. Pew pew ‘muricuh

[–] SuiXi3D@fedia.io 54 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Maybe if it happens enough, we can normalize billionaire CEO murder as well.

[–] some_designer_dude@lemmy.world 47 points 1 week ago (1 children)

CEO or not, billionaires gotta go

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[–] Woht24@lemmy.world 45 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The problem here is the frequency of the crimes. If CEOs were being shot on a weekly to bi weekly average in groups of 3 or more, this crime would become one of the many others the American media wash over.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That sounds like a challenge

[–] Zenjal@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We've come a long way with fun trends. Planking, owling, cat breading, an now CEOing, what a time to live in

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Indeed, the powerful would be left on their own like they left our children on their own. Only unlike our kids, they could do something about it....

The billionaires would be totally "scrooged", better share the wealth assholes. A poor man, isn't a murdered man.

cackle

Well, I can dream....

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[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 117 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The terrorism "charges" are laughably flimsy and clearly contrived. Trumped Up, you might say.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 28 points 1 week ago

The terrorism charge is absolutely the dumbest thing they did. Now it's on them to prove it was more than just murder.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 91 points 1 week ago (12 children)

This makes me believe it really wasn't him. If he actually wrote a manifesto, he'd have declared himself guilty, taken credit, and done a speech about how he was now a martyr for the cause.

If he's sticking to his story, then I believe him. They couldn't find the real killer so they just went with whoever "fit the description", as per usual.

[–] wildcardology@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Innocent until proven guilty. It's the government's job to prove him guilty. He doesn't have to help them.

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[–] morrowind@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That doesn't explain why he keeps mogging the camera, or what he yells to the journalist in that one video.

I don't know if it's him, but I think whoever it is, is just following their lawyer's advice, not trying to be a martyr

[–] DeLacue@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (4 children)

The thing is they've actually made a mistake charging him with terrorism. It is surprisingly narrowly defined so even without a sympathetic jury he might get a not guilty verdict for it and it weakens the whole case against him. But most of all by including it they've made all his intentions and politics central issues to the case. All the evidence and his statements about this will have to go into the public record. If he had pleaded guilty that wouldn't happen nor would there be a chance for jury annulment. Pleading not guilty is simply the smarter option to take.

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[–] SarcasticMan@lemmy.world 72 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I mean last I counted he had like 200000 alibis so...

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 44 points 1 week ago

Luigi Mangione was with me December 3rd, 2024 through December 7th, 2024. He couldn't possibly have been in New York since i don't live there.

[–] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

And he looked fabulous doing so

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

Maybe the lack of quick access to life saving resources, procedures and experts immediately after the shooting, aka 'healthcare', was what actually killed him?

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