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[–] random_character_a@lemmy.world 27 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (2 children)

An interesting factoid. In Finnish language "väkivalta" means violence. It is a combination word:

väki = people, crowd, folk

valta = power, reign

[–] dogsoahC@lemm.ee 8 points 13 hours ago

So... in Finland "democracy" and "violence" are the same thing? xD

[–] IsoKiero@sopuli.xyz 4 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Väki also means (or at least used to) 'power' or 'strong' (väkivahva, väkijuoma...) and that's also where the etymology for 'väkivalta' comes from. So it's got nothing to do with people.

[–] random_character_a@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

This is true.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

Valta also sounds like a Germanic loan just a second... yep. Same root as German "Gewalt", violence, "walten", to rule, preside, "verwalten", to administer, also English wield.

What's it with Finnish. One third borrowed from Estonian, another third from the Swedes, the rest from the Sami.

[–] random_character_a@lemmy.world 4 points 9 hours ago

Yes. We are a mushroom people that suddenly popped in to existence and had to borrow some stuff.

[–] Marighost@lemm.ee 6 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

New York doesn't have the death penalty though?

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago

He's askari getting federal charges. Those do.

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[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 7 points 12 hours ago

And now that Republicans are set to have the Presidency, Congress and SCOTUS all at the same time, there doesn't seem to be any barriers left.

Abolish capital punishment!

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 11 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Shouldn't there be leniency for killing a killer?
Yes I know it's about "sending a message", but messages go both ways.

[–] Scrollone@feddit.it 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

In this case, I wouldn't even call Luigi a killer. He's a hero, if any.

[–] blandfordforever@lemm.ee 5 points 11 hours ago

When the killing is in self defense or in the defense of many, many victims, is this called justifiable homicide?

[–] Omgboom@lemmy.zip 2 points 9 hours ago

This you shall offer in the morning and this you shall offer at twilight, a lamb without blemish.

[–] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 9 hours ago

I love bow this meme gets fact checked and the thesis get tighter.

Brian Thompson is a parasite, no empathy for them

[–] mhague@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

I wonder why executioners don't get doxxed.

[–] kikutwo@lemmy.world 5 points 13 hours ago (6 children)

Because most school shooters aren't adults.

[–] atrielienz@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

https://apnews.com/article/unitedhealthcare-ceo-killing-luigi-mangione-terrorism-law-7fcb28dcc0106c980b6ecf4aa9cf682f

That doesn't mean they can't be tried as terrorists. The main problem here is actually whether or not the facts of the crime actually allow for a terrorism charge. Fact is, he had a manifesto (see ideological goals), and the shooting was a violent criminal act.

According to the FBI that's all it takes. It may also be what is lacking in the case of some school shooters.

While I am generally on the side of "CEO FAFO", I recognize that the problem here is that the FBI and the laws they follow are flawed (probably deliberately) in such a way that they only target those who target the wealthy.

Shooting up a school is an act of terrorism if you do it because you're targeting a soft target in an attempt to hurt the local, state or federal government or you're religiously motivated etc. But not if you were bullied.

There's been plenty of over 18 mass shooters who also haven't been charged with terrorism. And with each one there's people who will say they don't want the US to become more of a police state because they believe that counterterrorism techniques (which we use internationally) shouldn't be used against the general population.

The federal government has a habit of overstepping the rights and freedoms of the general public any time they feel like they are under attack. We saw this with 9/11 and the Patriot act. So I can see their reasoning even if I don't agree that mass shooters should be considered terrorists under the law.

[–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I mean Luigi barely counts.

[–] kikutwo@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Maybe they should charge his parents too, like they did with some other school shooters. But wait, his parents are rich and the other ones lived in trailer parks.

[–] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 9 hours ago

He is old enough to have to buy his own health insurance lol

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[–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 0 points 6 hours ago

Doesn't make sense to compare a rate of an outcome (without even knowing how often that outcome was sought) with an individual attempt whose outcome is not even known yet.

When Mangione IS actually given the death penalty, this 'argument' will actually amount to something. Dumb until then.

[–] Hlodwig@lemmy.world -3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

FFS, it's not even him, people need to stop accepting he is the killer. He is not, news made sure that pics from the killing footage were buried so people would forgot them, because when you compare them with Luigi, its obviously NOT him... And there is no doubt here, killer is smaller, whiter (like Irish white), slim eyebrows, and less muscle body shape than Luigi.

Why do people try to make him a martyr, when it is not even the killer.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

If he isn't the killer, why did he have the same gun as the killer and a notebook detailing who he was going to kill and how he was going to do it?

[–] FluorideMind@lemmy.world 0 points 6 hours ago

Because he is a patsy.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -4 points 8 hours ago
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