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Mass graves uncovered in Syria after Bashar al-Assad’s overthrow reveal evidence of systematic atrocities, with over 100,000 people tortured and killed in what a top war crimes prosecutor described as the worst abuses “since the Nazis.”

Assad’s regime operated a “machinery of death,” involving mass disappearances, torture, and secret burials.

Rebel forces freed thousands of political prisoners, but many remain missing.

International efforts aim to document war crimes, though Assad, now in Russia, is unlikely to face trial.

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[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Hard to say if they Palestinian holocaust when the zionists wont allow people to be recovered from the rubble, use mass graves, and have been clearing rubble and not adding to the body count at all. They are hiding the numbers. Even hiding as much as possible its still about 50k.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Since the Nazis? Cambodian genocide doesn't even get a look in, eh?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Finally, a comparison which doesn't fall flat on its face like much of the rest of this thread. The intensity in Cambodia was extreme, it was under four years and 1.5 to three million killed, tortured, experimented upon, you name it. Even with everything else assumed equal the Assads were way slower at doing things.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 day ago

Or ISIS, literally in the same UN-recognised borders at the same time.

I'm gonna chalk it up to this guy being a lawyer prosecuting a case.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

They are both bad. But the Assad stuff is highlighted while Gaza is ignored. The selective standards are the problems.

Comparisons to the Holocaust are suddenly possible without anyone saying "no the Holocaust was when people were burned so Gaza is not a Holocaust". No semantics warriors show up to defend Assad.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Have they been in a prison where they were regularly and systematically tortured, and that for decades, before they ended up in those bags?

Not even a fucking month has passed and people with .ml accounts are already trivialising Assad. Tankies gotta stick to their own, I guess.

[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I don't understand this comment but yes the Palestinian in Gaza were in a giant prison, they get restricted access to food, no freedom of movement, and when they try to peacefully leave got shot in the knees by sniper.

[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

And those who were in officially “Israeli” prisons, got raped according and torture.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

You missed the industrial-scale torture part. There's been some instances of torture, yes, but nothing even close to what happened in Syria in matters of both scale and systematics. The IDF, at large, has always been more interested in killing people than pure, unadulterated, sadism.

You're rightfully enraged about the plight of the Palestinians, now don't turn around and deny the plight of Syrians by drawing false equivalences. If you want to draw an equivalence for the Syrian situation try North Korea.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Do not give them the satisfaction of being placed in the same category as their celebrity crushes. Assad is nothing like a goofy conspiracy theorist deep in the sheltered West.

[–] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I really hope that there can be some sort of coalition for peace and recovery among the various Syrian forces now that Assad is out of power.

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 100 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (26 children)

Really? Nothing else since WWII has been this bad? I can think of three off the top of my head! Syria's neighbor is doing a holocaust right now. It's like they're pretending that nothing bad has happened since the Nazis were defeated.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 day ago

After thinking about it, I've realized why they always use Nazis as the measuring stick: it's the last event of this type that the majority of Americans are familiar with.

Which I think says quite a bit about the education level of our populace

[–] DankOfAmerica@reddthat.com 18 points 2 days ago

The Cambodian Genocide

The Cambodian genocide was the systematic persecution and killing of Cambodian citizens by the Khmer Rouge under the leadership of Prime Minister of Democratic Kampuchea, Pol Pot. It resulted in the deaths of 1.5 to 2 million people from 1975 to 1979, nearly 25% of Cambodia's population in 1975 (c. 7.8 million) reducing the nation's life expectancy to a staggering 12 years in 1975.

[–] Hubi 96 points 3 days ago (13 children)

There are 100.000 bodies in a single mass grave. And that is just one out of five. That's kinda in a league of its own.

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[–] Reyali@lemm.ee 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

You’re angry about a headline that abbreviates the actual story.

The very first paragraph of the article:

Mass graves uncovered in Syria in the days since President Bashar al-Assad wasoverthrown are exposing evidence of some of the worst abuses since the Nazis, a top international war crimes prosecutor said. [emphasis mine]

The article agrees with you. It’s only the headline that doesn’t.

This kind of anger and engagement at headlines is exactly what the media thrives off of. Don’t let them win by doing just that.

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[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 52 points 3 days ago (6 children)

I agree with your point but I think the Palestinian genocide is a bad example. Imo better examples from the top of my mind: the Rwandan and Cambodian genocides likely were far worse both in absolute numbers and as a % of the population, and the policies of Maoist China got many more people killed.

[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 16 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Man, Mao's policies got so many people killed that "only" 3-4m people died of famine.

He's got an incredible kill count.

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[–] perestroika@lemm.ee 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It's going to take some time (and digging) to find out.

However... events that unfolded in Cambodia will almost certainly have exceeded what is going to be discovered in Syria.

Most likely the same can be said about things that happened in Indonesia.

Events that continue to happen in North Korea may possibly exceed - once the place collapses and access becomes possible - which may take a century - what Bashar and his father managed to organize.

[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Yes, nothing.

No one here is claiming what Israel is doing isn't horrible (hell, you're the only one bringing it up). But, this is worse. Wild how there can be more than one bad thing and one being worse doesn't make the other one not bad, isn't it?

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[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 26 points 3 days ago (2 children)

You mean the country that is claiming Syrian sovereign space like the Golan Heights for their illegal settlements since the 90s?

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