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[–] MoonMelon@lemmy.ml 34 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I don't want to dox myself, but I know what happened here. Performance was unacceptable on Series S, and it was unknown how effective optimization would be. BGS management is extremely risk averse, so they decided to add more loading areas. For example, making Neon multiple cells. Later the optimization team came through and it turns out that wasn't necessary but CK workflow is way too manual and bug prone to undo the changes that close to release. I don't remember if Purkey left before the buyout but Series S became the performance target and that made everyone freak out.

[–] DdCno1@beehaw.org 3 points 3 days ago

Interesting. This is good news for modders though, because this means that combining cells (similar to mods for previous Bethesda games) should be straightforward, even on current hardware.

[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 67 points 5 days ago (2 children)

They should have added a computer on your ship for quests/turn-ins. Loading screens suck but making you go through eight of them in a row is inexcusable.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 22 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

As good as New Vegas is, it had the same problem.

The most popular mod I ever put up on the Nexus was one that added fast travel points in New Vegas to get around needing to load multiple times to get to the actual destinations players will be visiting often.

Like, in the vanilla game the FT point in New Vegas itself was outside of Freeside. So you load to travel, load into Freeside, then have to load into the strip and finally load into one of the buildings. There are several other locations that do it, too. Just absolute insanity.

[–] Riprider@lemmy.myserv.one 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I think a big part of NV's fast travel points was because they didn't want you slipping by factions main security points if you were infamous with them.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 3 points 4 days ago

Just remove the pertinent ones if that happens.

[–] DarkMetatron 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Strange I never encountered more then four in a row (and those numbers are rare for me) how can someone get to eight? This is a honest question, how?

[–] scutiger@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Travel in, then travel back out.

[–] DarkMetatron -1 points 3 days ago

That is technically speaking not in a row, because there is some amount of gameplay between the screens, but yeah I see what you mean and yes sometimes the ratio of gameplay time to loading screen numbers is really a bit high 😔

[–] sevan@lemmy.ca 15 points 4 days ago

I don't think the loading screens are the failure, the fast travel system is. Depending on where you are and where you're going, you have different fast travel options. Sometimes you can pick your end destination directly (sort of). Other times you have to pick your planet (loading screen), land (loading screen), either run to your destination or pick a fast travel location on the local map (loading screen), enter a building (loading screen), take an elevator (loading screen) and now you've arrived. This is about the worst case I can think of with 5 loading screens.

Even in a best case scenario, like having the option to directly travel back to the lodge, you still have travel to the outside of the lodge (loading screen) and enter the lodge (loading screen). So, in most cases you'll have between 2 and 5 loading screens unless you're just traveling between outdoor locations on the same planet.

Which I guess takes us a step further and suggests that the pointless spaceflight feature of the game (or the pointless smuggling) is the real culprit. If you didn't need to scan ships for contraband, they could have built a more robust map system that allowed better point to point fast travel. You'd still run into issues of indoor/outdoor, or indoors with multiple areas, but it would have been much better.

[–] DarkMetatron 13 points 4 days ago (4 children)

I don't care for the loading screens, they are fast enough to not bother me. But I can accept that many people are bothered by them, even if I can't understand why.

My guess for why the game has so many loading screens? Resource constraints, maybe to get the game running on the Series S or to lower the specs generally.

[–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Probably the shit tier engine thats still being shoved to market with new makeup on after decades of use

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 days ago

You would think old physic calculations would run on worse hardware

[–] filcuk@lemmy.zip 5 points 4 days ago

These days, there are various techniques to have minimal to no visible loading.
This is great for general immersion.

But I think loading screens are only part of the repetitiveness of travelling in general: watching ship depart, selecting destination, watching travel animation, etc.

The game wore out quickly for me, and I'd not hesitate to start skyrim or fallout run #10(0?) in its place.

[–] BleatingZombie@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

I think it could be that my SSD must just be a little slower than yours. Adding a second to each of those loading screens adds up a lot (for me) and is constantly separating the gameplay

[–] fox2263@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The Series S wouldn’t have had speed limitations but fidelity ones.

So lower resolution and effects, but still able to load assets instantaneously. It still has lots of RAM and an NVME SSD at the end of the day.

[–] DarkMetatron 1 points 3 days ago

Mmhh, yeah true. Not much into Xbox so it was kind of a wild guess, thanks for correcting and context. Much appreciated 👍

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago

They planned to place ads there?