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[–] UmeU@lemmy.world 37 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (7 children)

I have always said that so long as McDonalds has a hot burger for a few bucks on every street corner, there will not be a revolution in the US.

Rather than starving to death, we have an obesity epidemic along with an opiate epidemic, which prevents the revolution from getting up off the couch.

Not trying to claim a conspiracy here, just the way things are.

[–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, the gap between the wealthiest and everyone else literally does not matter at all, when it comes to 'motivation for revolution'.

The overall level/amount/condition of poverty is what matters. And let's be real, things are not nearly as bad in the US today as they were in France before the French Revolution. Not even close.

Fact is, if you magically bumped everyone up so that no one was making less than $75k a year, the wealth gap would be essentially identical to what it is now, because the gap between zero and 75k is nothing compared to the gap between 75k and hundreds of billions. But no one would be suffering in poverty, so would anyone care about the wealth gap, then? I seriously doubt it.

[–] UmeU@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

Great point!

[–] threethan@reddthat.com 6 points 6 days ago

McDonald's charging $10-20 for shit-tier burgers in some of the US: 👀👀

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

McDonald's is expensive now.

A double cheeseburger was a dollar a few years ago, sure. But it's almost that much for a single nugget these days.

A hash brown is 3.50 at the one by my office.

[–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Looked it up:

McDonald's double cheeseburger hasn't been a dollar for over 15 years (started in 2002, and in 2008, the McDouble replaced it, which had one fewer slice of cheese). And the McDouble itself stopped being a dollar in 2013, over a decade ago. Bit more than "a few years ago"--I think Covid screwed up everyone's perception of time more than usual, lol.

That said, I get lunch at work several times a week at Wendy's and always pay less than $5, not too bad all things considered imo.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

Wendy's is still a pretty good deal. A cup of chili and some nuggets ain't a bad price.

[–] doingthestuff@lemy.lol 6 points 6 days ago

It only takes about 3% of the population to push effective revolution. That's still over ten million people. We might be getting close.

Ahhh so the Wall-E form of public control.

I can see it

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Conspiracies happen in secret. There's no hidden agenda, just the publicly-stated agenda.

[–] x0chi@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

Just offer free food and specially free opiates if they start a revolution. There's many means to a end

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Americans are too weak to demand what we deserve. Too complacent.

Worker productivity has skyrocketed over the last century, but we're still working the same 40+ hour work weeks. What's the point of advancing technology and increasing efficiency if our lives don't get easier/happier?

Healthcare is dogshit and we're all categorically getting ripped off by it.

We used to tax rich people appropriately in this country and, surprise surprise, the middle class was way stronger back then.

Now we're just pussies that let the useless mega-rich do whatever the fuck they want to us and idolize them for it.

We're a bunch of bitches is what we are. Too feeble and uneducated to bring about real change. Even voting against our own best interests because we can't be bothered to learn anything. We're honestly pathetic.

[–] VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Despite the current wealth inequality a good number of people are still living decently enough.

I'm waiting to see what happens when Trump starts putting his taxes in place. When people are miserable enough they'll take to the streets and protest. If we reach a breaking point where living conditions completely break down and there still aren't protests then it may as well be over for democracy.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 13 points 6 days ago (2 children)

As if the US is currently a Democracy

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 5 points 6 days ago

Never has been

[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works -3 points 6 days ago

As if there is really a democracy left anywhere. We're going back to fiefdom baby!

[–] buttfarts@lemy.lol 3 points 6 days ago

America is a frog getting slowly heated in a pot of water. The only hope is to turn up the heat fast enough and high enough that the frog jumps out of the pot before it gets cooked

[–] ChildeHarold@lemm.ee 4 points 6 days ago

Yeah there is no single explanation for revolution. Looking strictly to wealth distribution is reductionistic at best. I mean, wealth distribution was arguably better in the U.S. in the 1860s than it was in the prelude to Revolutionary France and yet we had a Civil War lmfao. There are endless examples that disprove this rule. The reality is: popular unrest is extremely complicated, and the factors that lead up to it are varied with fluctuating levels of influence at different stages of development. Sure, perception of wealth is a key component... but its hardly an explainer.

[–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Despite the current wealth inequality

It's not "despite" the gap, because the gap itself does not cause poverty. If the poorest person in the US made $75k/year (in other words, poverty completely eradicated), the size of the gap would still be pretty much exactly the same (after all, the difference between zero and 75k is nothing compared to the difference between 75k and hundreds of billions, which is the current net worth of those with the most wealth).

After all, 50 years ago, the gap was significantly smaller, but the overall incidence of poverty was much higher.

Someone's always going to have the most. And new wealth is constantly being created. And net worth is a valuation, a price tag, not an amount of cash (which is the primary reason it can go up as fast as it can--cash money simply can't do that). Given these facts, expect this gap to always exist (and almost certainly continue to widen), even after poverty is eradicated.

[–] coolusername@lemmy.ml 14 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

yes but have you considered that in nk they have no food and push the trains? (source: CIA) instead of all this radical talk i think we should VOTE harder, especially for progressive like bernie and aoc

[–] CyberMonkey404@lemmy.ml 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Careful, bub, there are people lurking who think this quite seriously

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

You don't? Tankie detected 😠

[–] CyberMonkey404@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 days ago

Gasp! My clever disguise has been sundered!

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

they shaped their culture around anticommunism. you bet they will keep alienating their people further, and will hold off a revolution for as long as possible.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Looking at wealth distribution on a country-by-country basis is a mistake.

Take that US wealth distribution graph and then graph it with the rest of the world; the reason there's no revolution becomes obvious.

[–] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 2 points 5 days ago

please provide image

[–] Garibaldee@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

can't say I'm a huge fan of Nick Cruze or the rest of RBN, but a graph's a graph I guess

[–] Overshoot2648@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago

Wait till most people are starving.

[–] ChildeHarold@lemm.ee -1 points 6 days ago

The "wealth distribution" theory of unrest is so thoroughly debunked its insane to see people who still think in these terms. Smh.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 96 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Americans have historically been obsequiously subservient to the big man.

From Washington to Rockefeller to Bill Gates or Elon Musk, if you're the richest man in the country people will practically worship you as a demigod rather than revolt at your presence.

We may say we love Jesus, but our real God is Mamon

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