Talking Point: Would You Watch A New Stargate Show?

[–] kat_angstrom@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Probably, Yes.

But maybe not if it's a weird prequel retcon action dramedy featuring Jack O'Neil, age 20, going undercover in Goa'uld high school to try and locate the evil fiends behind a counterfeit jeans smuggling ring, falling in love with 18 year old student Sam Carter, who sees through his macho act and urges him to try and see the good in every Goa'uld, even the Captain of the Football Team, Lants McDonaldson, the awkward son of Apophis who just wants to settle down with a human of each gender on a country farm, raising llamas.

[–] Jimmyeatsausage@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

I would shame watch that

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago

This makes me want to point out that it is SG-1 canon that a clone of Jack O'Neil in the body of a teenager actually went back to high school, pretty much specifically to hit on teenage girls.

[–] MisterD@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yes if they don't DEI it up like most shows these days.

Incidental characters, new characters here and there, fine. A storyline where it makes sense, maybe.

Half the crew? Um..no. Make one of the original characters go gay/trans for b.s. reasons, um..no

Just focus on the story. Give us a GOOD story.

[–] almar_quigley@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

lol, fuck off. Strange New worlds has a diverse cast and is a wonderful show. Lower decks, same thing. It’s totally doable. If you’re referring to something a la Discovery, the issue is poor writing for a typical Star Trek show, not that it has a diverse cast. Stop being a snowflake and watch some reruns if you can’t handle where society is going. “Can you believe I was made to look at a black person, an Asian, a GAY, AND a woman in a position of authority? It’s enough to give me the vapors!!”

[–] CTDummy@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I think more to the other person point is it being needlessly prioritised, seemingly at the expense of quality writing/characters.

Disco is a pretty choice example. The main character is frankly unbearable. Super unlikeable, overly emotional (despite being Vulcan) and frequently fucks up because she won’t listen or acts out of emotion. She is pointlessly insubordinate in an attempt to write her as strong but it inadvertently makes her incompetent and entitled. Everyone seems to cry, a lot, in the later season. The gay couple felt cheap and even unhealthy at some point, I think in the ep where one of them nearly dies, but unfortunately I can’t remember why. Didn’t really feel like ST just a show wearing its uniform.

Hey at least it was super diverse though. Although as you point out, it is largely the writing that boned disco. Just feels like these shows prioritise being as diverse as possible and then jump to racism the second people notice or criticise the shows for it or unrelated elements.

[–] snooggums@midwest.social -1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Super unlikeable, overly emotional (despite being Vulcan) and frequently fucks up because she won’t listen or acts out of emotion.

Being a terribly written character has norhing to do with DEI.

[–] almar_quigley@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago

But core problem with Disco isn’t the diverse cast: it’s that they went for something that doesn’t fit with the genre star trek usually fills and have writers who aren’t good at writing sci fi or shooty shooty bang bang. This diversity thing is a total red herring for conservatives and otherwise sensitive folks who can’t accept that kind of change.

[–] CTDummy@lemm.ee -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I have no idea what that is, from media seems to be republican speak for “not excluding anyone that isn’t white”.

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The real issue with Discovery is that they fridged Michelle Yeoh so they could make Burnham the main character, a character they went to great lengths to show us is a violently xenophobic mutineer, and yet who is still somehow more open minded than nearly everyone else on Discovery.

Star Trek is supposed to be woke and Discovery wasn't. Having a black main character doesn't make a show woke, actually promoting social progress makes a show woke.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

No I don't think I ultimately would, for a bunch of reasons.

I've said it before in this community, the 2 decades of "gritty realistic" heartburn drama ushered in by Battlestar Galactica cured my love of television. I don't currently subscribe to any streaming service and as they get more numerous, more expensive and worse I don't think I'm going to pick the habit back up.

I think I'm developing a contact allergy to resurrected IPs. Upon reading this I don't think "Oh boy a chance for more of my favorite adventures" I think "oh brother, some business suit with a neckhole infection has detected an IP they aren't monetizing hard enough." The most recent TV show to catch my eye was The Good Place, which is an original property. It was made because someone had an idea. "Do you think you'd watch a new Stargate show" sounds to me like "would you buy the industrial slop we're going to churn out anyway if we dye it the color of a thing you liked 20 years ago?" The one thing no one has there is an idea.

It's also just one of those shows where I don't know what you'd do with the setting. Star Wars and Star Trek, those settings are open enough to where you could go 90 lightyears to the right and still find cool stories. Shows like Stargate, Farscape and Babylon 5 are so character-centric that I don't know if I want to watch just another show made in that setting. Like, you could make me a Star Trek show that doesn't have the Federation in it. Set it on a Romulan warbird or something, it would work. There have been numerous works set in the Star Wars universe that didn't have to do with the Jedi or Rebels or Empire or whatever. What would you make out of the Farscape universe without Moya and the gang?

No, let it rest on what it achieved.

[–] absquatulate@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Agreed. At this point seeing news of a new stargate show would instantly make me ask "what will they fuck up with this one?". I'd rather not see it replicated (heh) in nowadays' world of marvelized franchises and even continuing it would be meh, seeing as the scope and the stakes grew way too high even in the original shows. Basically I feel the show was a product of its time and taking it out would screw it up. Also streaming services should stop remaking every single IP and just come up with new original shows already.

[–] Jesus_666@feddit.de 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

All other points aside, "the show is too character-centric and a spin-off could never work" is what a bunch of trekkies said when TNG was announced. No Trek without Kirk, Spock, and McCoy had any hope of being a good show.

Then TNG came out and it was fine.

For that matter, Atlantis worked just fine for me, as well. Universe didn't but that's mainly because it had focus issues and a weird tone. There is potential for a good new Stargate.

The question is, of course, what they'd do with it. The new Trek era has been pretty hit-or-miss and it's hard to say whether we'd get the Stargate equivalent of Picard or Strange New Worlds.

If it's another badly lit attempt at making a show out of nothing but curse words and scowls I'd pass. But if it's another fun, witty ensemble show that knows when to take itself seriously and when not to – yes, please.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago

See I knew someone was going to bring up TNG, that the original show was really Kirk-Spock-McCoy character centric and that was a big criticism aimed at TNG at first. And "Then TNG came out and it was fine" No it wasn't, the first two seasons are pretty rough, the show really found its footing in the third season.

I think trying to create a new Stargate show would be like trying to create a new show in the Hercules/Xena universe. Because they have basically the same problem: They ran out of ancient gods to kill before the series finale. I think they've already kinda proven they milked SG-1's setting dry because both spinoffs went "Meanwhile in another galaxy, something almost completely unrelated is happening."

[–] Disaster@sh.itjust.works -1 points 3 months ago

FINISH. STARGATE. UNIVERSE.