this post was submitted on 07 Jul 2024
369 points (96.7% liked)

Science Memes

9984 readers
1971 users here now

Welcome to c/science_memes @ Mander.xyz!

A place for majestic STEMLORD peacocking, as well as memes about the realities of working in a lab.



Rules

  1. Don't throw mud. Behave like an intellectual and remember the human.
  2. Keep it rooted (on topic).
  3. No spam.
  4. Infographics welcome, get schooled.


Sister Communities

Science and Research

Biology and Life Sciences

Physical Sciences

Humanities and Social Sciences

Practical and Applied Sciences

Memes

Miscellaneous

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
369
Sardonic Grin (mander.xyz)
submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by fossilesque@mander.xyz to c/science_memes@mander.xyz
 
top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] ThisIsAManWhoKnowsHowToGling@lemmy.dbzer0.com 74 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I know nothing about plants.

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 66 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Yeah, I am not botanical enough to get this, but presumably it's something poisonous?

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 134 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Apiaceae, the carrot family, is full of wild species that are incredibly poisonous. Basically if it looks like a carrot in the wild dont eat it or you might die.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 79 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Same goes for if it looks like a Tomato, those are nightshades and the only ones I know about that aren't deadly to eat are tomatoes and peppers, and the peppers only because the poison they developed doesn't kill you it just makes you feel like your entire digestive tract is on fire.

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 55 points 1 month ago (13 children)

Eggplants, potatoes, ground cherries, tomatillos, huckleberries are all edible too. That said you are right, if it is growing in the wild assume it will kill you. Don't eat it.

load more comments (13 replies)
[–] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 23 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Potatoes, believe it or not, are also nightshades.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 20 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Actually I'm pretty sure those can poison you if you don't grab them at the right time

[–] bitfucker@programming.dev 11 points 1 month ago

Yes, and also it can be poisonous later down the line after harvested

[–] stiephelando@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The berries of potatoes are poisonous, just the tubers aren't unless exposed to sunlight.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

When a whole family dies because of bad air in a cellar, isn't it usually potatoes that caused it?

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 11 points 1 month ago

And tobacco

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Ah ok, so like Queen Anne's Lace and Poison Hemlock?

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

Yeah, water hemlock, cowbane, fool's parsley, wild parsnip, etc, etc.

[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago

Yep. Hemlock is one of them

[–] Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz 32 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Look up “Sardonic Grin”. It’s one of those things that makes you think this is interesting, and also never going to eat wild plants again.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] xantoxis@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Or hallucinogenic? Although if there were an easy-to-forage hallucinogen that looked like celery I'm pretty sure I'd know about it.

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 19 points 1 month ago

A trip down the river Styx

[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 month ago

The roots of the common reed contain dimethyltryptamine. Not sure if it's enough to make a tea, never heard of anyone doing it.

[–] Chuymatt@beehaw.org 8 points 1 month ago (3 children)
load more comments (3 replies)

Hemlock water-dropwort looks like celery. It causes muscle spasms, which at times results in the victim dying with a grin on their face.

[–] Veritrax@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Looks pretty similar to hemlock.

Neither do the LLMs you used to identify your “wild celery” lol

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 63 points 1 month ago (1 children)

it baffles me that there are ID apps that don't follow the model of 1) very clearly SUGGESTING what it MIGHT be, and 2) only present a level of precision it's actually confident in

having it always present a specific species and just pick the most likely one is so dumb and irresponsible of the designers.

[–] Ultraviolet@lemmy.world 31 points 1 month ago (4 children)

It's a fundamental problem with the tech in general. It inherently has no concept of "I don't know" and will just be confident, specific, and wrong.

[–] Hagdos@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago (7 children)

That's blatantly untrue. My plant ID app gives multiple suggestions with certainty percentages.

[–] Shellbeach@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 month ago

inaturalist does this, and also lets other people suggest an ID so you can get a consensus.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (6 replies)
[–] Darohan@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 month ago (3 children)

This is blatantly false. Classification tasks like this all have a level of certainty for each possible category - it's just up to the person writing the software to interpret those levels of certainty in a way that's useful to the user. Whether this is saying "I don't know" when the certainties are too spread out, or providing a list of options like other people in this thread have said their apps do. The problem is that "100% certainty" comes off well with the general public, so there's a financial incentive to make the system seem more certain than it is by using a layer (from memory it's called Softmax?) that will return only the category with the highest degree of certainty.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] Poik@pawb.social 7 points 1 month ago (4 children)

This actually is a symptom from the sort of "beneficial" overfit in Deep Learning. As someone whose research is in low data, long tails, and few shot learning, there's a few things that smaller networks did better in generalization, and one thing they particularly did better (without explicit training for it) is gauging uncertainty. This uncertainty is sometimes referred to as calibration. Calibrating deep networks can yield decent probabilities that can be used to show uncertainty.

There are other tricks for this. My favorite strategies prep the network for learning new things. Large margin training and the like are a good thing to look into. Having space in the output semantic space (the layer immediately before the output or earlier for encoder decoder style networks) allows for larger regions for distinct unknown values to be separated from the known ones, which helps inherently calibrate the network.

load more comments (4 replies)
[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 month ago

uhhh do you have any clue how it actually works? i mean maybe there's some sort of visual AI tech that doesn't let you make it say "idk fam" but the standard stuff just gives a point value to each result, and you could just.. have a minimum limit..

and like i'm pretty certain the current chatbots available generally are capable of responding that they don't know, they're certainly capable of "recognizing" when it's a topic they're not allowed to talk about.

[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 month ago

Oh so poisoning the elderly with hemlock was more common than just executing annoying philosophers eh ?

[–] Pulptastic@midwest.social 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

My app only says "dicot" so now that's what I call all plants.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 4 points 1 month ago (5 children)

I don't know who is using these things. If you've got a phone and a signal then you've got a shop. Go to it and buy the things you need.

[–] ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 month ago

I forage and hunt for food. It lets me get things I can't get at the grocery store and it's free.

[–] Kolrami@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I use them. It helps me identify "weeds" so I can know if they're good for pollinators or have to be removed immediately for invasiveness.

Example: I often keep a couple milkweed plants growing for monarch butterflies.

[–] flora_explora@beehaw.org 8 points 1 month ago

I would say that most people foraging wild plants in western societies aren't doing it to sustain themselves. It is usually has to do with learning more about their surroundings, to revive old knowledge or for fun. And as long as you double check, play close attention to detail and most importantly don't blindly follow an app you should be completely fine with this. (Well, foraging plants from the Apiaceae (the carrot family) is not really a good idea due to the close resemblance of most of its members.)

[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 month ago

It's for beginners. My son uses it to learn about plants in our yard.

It might be wrong, but that's the next step of parenting.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments
view more: next ›