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Ukraine’s air force has said Russia fired an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) at the city of Dnipro, which if confirmed would be the first time the long-range weapon has been used in any armed conflict.

The claim was not immediately accepted by others, however. ABC News reported, citing western officials, that this was an exaggeration and that the weapon was in fact a shorter-range ballistic missile, similar to the types used repeatedly by Russia against Ukraine during the war.

Update: President [ Putin] says hypersonic missile (Oreshnik) fired at Dnipro military site in reply to Kyiv’s strikes in Russia with western missiles

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[–] b000rg@midwest.social 9 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

But why? Aren't ICBMs incredibly expensive? Like, rocket ship expensive because that's basically what they are? Aren't there other hypersonic options that are cheaper and less politically loaded?

[–] drathvedro@lemm.ee 4 points 10 hours ago

They are. It's a message, and rather expensive at that. For all intents and purposes, most notably to early warning systems, it was a nuke. Crazy Vlad over here flung one without a payload and triggered full on DEFCON 2 or even 1 just to make a point.

[–] Zwiebel 5 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Maybe the propellant goes bad after a couple decades so you might as well? Idk

Or they need to test fire and train people anyways

[–] HowRu68@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Edit OP:

Update: update guardian

President [Putin] says hypersonic missile ( Oreshnik) fired at Dnipro military site in reply to Kyiv’s strikes in Russia with western missiles

[–] IMNOTCRAZYINSTITUTION@lemmy.world 7 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

If confirmed, firing of weapon would mark first time missile – which can carry nuclear payload – has been used

is the guardian too cheap for proofreading now??

[–] Mihies@programming.dev 10 points 17 hours ago

Also this assessment is wrong. Russian cruise missiles are perfectly capable of carrying nukes and they are fired daily in dozens πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ But perhaps they are nitpicking...

[–] Skua@kbin.earth 3 points 18 hours ago

There's a reason it is nicknamed the Grauniad

[–] kokesh@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Wouldn't the ICBM launch trip US nuclear defenses? Or is it only flocks of birds?

[–] refalo@programming.dev 10 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Yes which is why other countries were notified first so they didn't retaliate automatically. A lot more discussion goes on behind closed doors than most people realize.

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 2 points 19 hours ago

"But Scholz!"

[–] sirico@feddit.uk 2 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

There's literally 2 clear videos of it, whats the claim?

[–] HowRu68@lemmy.world 6 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Apperantly, and I'm no expert, after checking various sources, the exact missile type hasn't been confirmed yet, independentally. There seems to be a discussion of two options afaik; a proper ICBM; or another version, sort of it's little brother, which is more of a shorter range missile.

[–] Viri4thus 0 points 15 hours ago

Manufacturing consent from a UK newspaper. That's unheard of.