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[–] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 39 points 1 day ago

They know, that's the point.

[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I know I'm probably wrong here, and I'm willing to be better informed, but I don't like the phrasing of abortion as mere "birth control," as if it were equal to methods that prevent conception or implantation.

Do people really feel it's not a different sort of act, or would people be comfortable using abortion as their sole means of birth control (if it were safe and inconsequential to the woman)? And yes, I understand that the morning after pill is something of a gray area.

Also yes, I am a Christian. But I understand that there are good reasons for abortion remaining legal.

[–] Funkytom467@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Well depends what you mean by birth control... is it a way to prevent pregnancy or children?

Since birth is in the name i'd say the term is better suited for referring to anything preventing the birth of a children. But what the term refers to has no barring on what's happening.

It never meant people don't make a difference. Any reasonable women knows and feel the difference.

The fact it's less safe and has worse effects on your health is just another way we realize how serious an abortion is. It will never be inconsequential even if it was safe.

Please do not to trust anyone who says people disagree with this. They all have a political reason to lie.

[–] Sabre363@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Abortion is, by definition, a form of birth control, but I don't think most people would ever consider it to be equal to other forms of controlling birth. However, let's not forget that for a lot of people abortion is quite literally the only birth control they may have access to, and even that access may come at huge risk. There are often family, social, religious (this is the big one), or cultural pressures that get in the way of accessing contraceptives until it is too late.

[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Absolutely understand, and while it's hard for me to believe that anyone doesn't know about condoms, a religious person who chooses abortion over condoms really makes me scratch my head.

But I guess you mean a kid living in a "religious" household. Man, I wish there was a way to communicate to kids that feeling your old enough for sex means feeling you're old enough to make good decisions about preventing pregnancy.

I mean frankly the whole thing's just too damn big for me. My heart goes out to everyone who finds themselves with these kinds of choices.

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 6 points 1 day ago

You're making some huge assumptions about the quality of sex and health education that those kids have had access to. It's easy to point a finger and say, well you should be more responsible, but the reality is that adolescents are still learning and developing. So even with great education, they make bad decisions. They won't have adult brains until their early to mid 20s. And there's no reason why those decisions should ruin lives, when modern medicine can resolve the dilemma in minutes.

In other words, you're making an argument for much better and more widely available sex and health education. Which religious types are likely to oppose. Can't have it both ways- either the kids are fully informed and made an error, or their guardians failed them and set them on a track with a veil of ignorance.

[–] Sabre363@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

Yeah, I was getting at living in a religious household, but I can say from experience that it goes far deeper than that. There is way too often a toxic and parasitic mentality that constantly says things like birth control are evil and aren't to be talked about. When that kind of thinking permeates every aspect of one's life or community, it can make it difficult, humiliating, or outright dangerous for people to seek out things like contraceptives.

Also, I know this thinking doesn't hold true of all religious folks, and it's refreshing to see someone genuinely curious and asking questions rather than judging automatically, so thank you.

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[–] Naadan@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 day ago

The folk wanting to restrict it probably don't want to respect autonomy too much.

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

Republicans:

Ban it

[–] Jarix@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

And mutually beneficially so does UBI et al

[–] lemmus@szmer.info -2 points 1 day ago

Not so funny.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You still are a wage slave paying rent to a landed lord.

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 3 points 1 day ago

Better than committing another soul to the same fate.

[–] steel_nomad@lemmy.world -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well, specifically women, but yes that sign is not wrong.

[–] kabi@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Well, specifically women

How do you figure?

[–] Simbomba@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It's probably due to the fact that the majority of child bearing people are womem. Wouldnt want to haphazardly sum up many groups of people with one word but I could see the viewpoint

[–] steel_nomad@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

....Are you being purposely obtuse?

[–] kabi@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

....Are you being purposely obtuse?

Do you think an unwanted pregnancy doesn't affect the biological father's life in any way?

[–] steel_nomad@lemmy.world -1 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Well of course it does. But its statistically significant that most abortions happen as a result of the potential babydaddy doing a blow-n-go and leaving the female with a hard decision. That was my point.

[–] gravityowl@lemm.ee 1 points 18 hours ago

But its statistically significant that most abortions happen as a result of the potential babydaddy doing a blow-n-go and leaving the female with a hard decision

Source: this information came to you in a dream you had once

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