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New research reveals serious privacy flaws in the data practices of new internet connected cars in Australia. It’s yet another reason why we need urgent reform of privacy laws.

Modern cars are increasingly equipped with internet-enabled features. Your “connected car” might automatically detect an accident and call emergency services, or send a notification if a child is left in the back seat.

But connected cars are also sophisticated surveillance devices. The data they collect can create a highly revealing picture of each driver. If this data is misused, it can result in privacy and security threats.

A report published today analysed the privacy terms from 15 of the most popular new car brands that sell connected cars in Australia.

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[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 4 points 8 hours ago

New report Mozilla said this a year ago I think. Released a privacy report on all car manufactures.

[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 22 hours ago

Sell me a dumb car.

[–] n7gifmdn@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

yep. I just with some car company would choose not to do this and advertise the fuck out of it. (looking at you Chrysler you have nothing to lose)

[–] Timecircleline@sh.itjust.works 1 points 22 hours ago

They still have the Pacifica....

[–] rolling_resistance@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 16 points 1 day ago (3 children)
[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

At least in most US cities, it's also illegal to sleep in your car. You're pry fine in the netherlands.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

In all US cities, the police can't enter your car without a warrant. So just put up curtains and ignore them when they knock

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 1 points 23 minutes ago

Your word against theirs, and they can easily say they saw something suspicious. That's how it works with every stop and search.

[–] rolling_resistance@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Seems like you have bigger issues than corporate surveillance.

[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 3 points 18 hours ago

Guess where surveillance capitalism is going to send you besides the grave.

[–] MajorMajormajormajor@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 day ago

Not with that attitude!

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 12 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I played Cyberpunk 2077 many times and in the game they have vehicle quickhacks that allow you to stop a car temporarily (emergency break), force the car to full throttle (Floor it), taking control of the car... or making the car blow up with self-destruct.

Now it's just a game and this can be excused, but at the same time I wondered how the hell could you make a car blow up? Then I realize Tesla cars can burn quite viciously, and the mechanisms of opening the door CAN be jammed. The other shit is probably going to be quite possible soon if not already. Meaning we could see high-tech murders happen by people who find weaknesses in car cybersecurity and exploit it to kill their target, and if they cannot trace where the hacker was or how it would be an unsolvable murder...

But that's only if a random ass murderer does it. It wouldn't surprise me if corporations wanted to off someone they didn't like for any reason and that person was driving one of their cars then... yeah, it doesn't take much imagination there, does it?

Maybe it's because I am an elder millenial who never owned a car, but only rented cars when I need them, The most I ever used is google maps (now Osmand... which is the superior Open source option!) to find my way. But I never felt the need for anything else other than blindspot detectors (which don't need to be connected to anything!) to help in lane changing since it makes that task easier. I listen to all my music and stuff on my phone (which is another tracking device I fucking hate) so I don't even bother with the radio.

In short. I would like my automobile to be like what automobiles were... a hunk of metal that is used to travel from point A to point B. This is coming from someone who LOVES technology and I recently took the time to buy a 6000$ desktop because I fucking wanted the most high end machine I could get and I love it. But even I have my limits.

[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

That's how the CIA killed reporter Michael Hastings for demonstrating american arrogance of McChrystal and his squad of butchers which led to the europeans funding the war on islam a little bit less.

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 2 points 10 hours ago

I just looked up Michael Hastings on Wikipedia and I find his 'car accident' to be a little too damn suspicious.

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[–] bobbytables@discuss.tchncs.de 48 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Mozilla Foundation did a deep dive into this. And the results where abysmal. The only brands not completely horrifying where Renault/Dacia because they are European and only serve the European market so they have to follow GDPR.

[–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 6 points 13 hours ago

I am less interested in ranking them based on what they do (because we can assume they just vacuum up everything anyway), and more in a ranking based on how easy the surveillance is to remove. Apparently for some cars the telematics module can be easily unplugged at least, losing you some non-critical functionality, but on others it may be integrated tighter.

[–] HereIAm@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

Any company that serves European customers have to follow GDPR. Any company that breaks it can be fined by the EU. Hence why a bunch of American websites rather just block European browsers instead of changing their cookie/data retention policies.

[–] DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

This is why when I get my driver's license, I'll buy a car from 2012 that has no Internet. Probably old Skoda Octavia.

[–] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 4 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

9th Gen Civic

1.8 or 2.4L, no turbo, tons of manual transmissions out there, cheap to fix, easy to find and source with tons of motors still in crates brand new.

[–] DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Skodas, VWs, and other French and Spanish are more common than Hondas in country where I live.

[–] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Ah, I figured they were as common here as anywhere else they were, but now that I remember it, Honda makes their American cars in Ohio, they aren't imports. That stacks.

[–] reagansrottencorpse@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 hours ago

Yeah I have a 2012 vehicle, doesn't even have built in Bluetooth. I love it.

[–] VitabytesDev@feddit.nl 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Unfortunately, many of the cars transmit the surveillance data through phone carrier data lines, using an embedded SIM card. So, sadly I don't think this would help very much.

[–] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 hours ago

Why bother using the car? There's a phone in your pocket telling them where you are 24/7.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 2 points 22 hours ago

If it's not helpful to the operation of the vehicle, then you can just wrap it in a Faraday cage. Oops no signal.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 85 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (8 children)

It's also why repair costs an arm and a leg.

It used to be a bumper was just filled with foam, so getting in a fender bender was a pretty cheap fix.

Now a bumper has upwards of $5000 in technology and sensors sitting in it, and a fender bender can often make the car considered "totaled" because the cost to repair is now more than the total resale value of the car.

Get a bike, ride a bus, fuck surveillance capitalism.

[–] radau@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Best part is it's $5000 because they get to name their price. These sensors, headlights, etc, cost nowhere near that, but where else are you gonna go get em?

So in a few years when your new car has depreciated to somewhere around 10k and you get a massive repair bill? Well most people are scrapping it and getting another car, convenient for them....

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[–] Charger8232@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

I once had a conversation with AI to see what the fastest form of local transportation is, that didn't absolutely require paying any kind of insurance, like cars do. I did not expect the response at all: the AI told me horseback riding. The thing is, it's completely right, but it's something no human would ever have given as a response. Anyways, if anyone has a horse you don't want...

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

An eBike would be faster, and way easier to maintain and store. They don't require insurance.

[–] Charger8232@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Horses can run between 25-30 MPH, a class 3 e-bike caps out at 28 MPH. So, they're about the same.

[–] Preflight_Tomato@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Also, horse is bigger/more visible to cars, and maybe could be in the street. So you may not have to wait on traffic crossings as much depending on the area.

I still choose e-bike because poo, but what a looney idea, I love it.

[–] Jentu@lemmy.ml 2 points 22 hours ago

Just superglue a neodymium magnet to the bottom of your bike shoe and hover it over the sensor lines in front of the stop light.

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[–] monovergent@lemmy.ml 36 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A few years ago, when I cared little about my privacy, I would fancy buying a new car. Thanks to privacy concerns, I became proud to have my old car, which also happens to be highly repairable.

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