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[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 38 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

You guys can't even keep nazis out of government. Why should it be steams responsibility to keep them from playing a game?

[–] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

That's the whole point. Sure there's Nazis in the government but look over there, a Nazi! Look over there a Nazi! It's Nazis from top to bottom. Wanna let us censor the Internet to stop them? No? You're a Nazi sympathiser then.

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[–] ParkedInReverse@lemmy.world 175 points 5 days ago (24 children)

Kinda stretching it aren't they?

[–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 153 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (6 children)

Pepe is a beloved internet meme, not a symbol of hate. Rightoid asshats need to leave pepe and doge the fuck alone. >:(

[–] oce@jlai.lu 64 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I thought it came from 4chan, but it actually comes from Myspace. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepe_the_Frog

[–] Grumpy@sh.itjust.works 76 points 5 days ago (6 children)

Wtf pepe is considered alt-right because alt-right uses them sometimes??? I hear they also use English! Maybe English needs to get banned!

[–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Yeah, I'm very much in the camp of "fuck you, you don't get to have it" when it comes to extremist groups trying to co-opt other symbols.

It's extremely doable--the LGBT population has largely succeeded at doing exactly that with "queer", for example--these days, basically nobody utters that word as a pejorative. Fuck you, it's ours now. See what I mean?

There are way more of us than them, we could literally do this for everything these dipshits try to 'claim'.

[–] Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 42 points 5 days ago (1 children)

They didn't just use it sometimes, they were using it as an intentional dog whistle, that is the difference. Part of dog whistling is choosing something that, otherwise, has had no real relationship to the thing it is being used as a dog whistle for.

[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 33 points 5 days ago (13 children)

so they can choose anything and we just have to stop using it because its their dogwhistle now?

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[–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Google says Steam has 132 million monthly active users. Even if you count Pepe (which is absurd, the vast majority of use of it has nothing to do with anything hateful), that's still far under 1% of users.

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[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 81 points 5 days ago (11 children)

Once again, a clueless boomer blames games.

How about YouTube? Why aren't we going after Google?

What about Twitter? Musk's platform is filled with extremist hate.

Plenty of extremist diarrhea spewing from the mouth of a President Elect.

It's almost like this kind of content on Steam is a symptom of a bigger problem.

[–] GiveMemes@jlai.lu 39 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Steam honestly has it really bad. You don't see blatant hate speech in play store reviews but you certainly do on steam. The same goes for their forums, which are almost totally unmoderated. Totally agree tho that this is a symptom of a larger problem and am always wary of the government seeking to impede free speech, even if it's speech I despise. If there are calls to violence and stuff I'm totally cool with that being prosecuted ofc.

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[–] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 20 points 4 days ago

ADL report

Opinion discarded. Those ADL fucks lie about damn near everything.

[–] secret300@lemmy.sdf.org 39 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Where? Where at tho? I've been using steam and playing valve games for like 16 years or something like that and I don't see it anywhere. Maybe the one troll in user made guides but that usually goes away just like any other platform

[–] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 27 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

you can go through the community hubs/reviews of basically any WW2/military shooter or strategy game and see multiple people with Hitler avatars, swastikas, black suns, anything you can think of. it's extremely prevalent.

hell, just going through the HOI4 community hub and in the first 30 seconds of scrolling I've come across at least 3 nazi posts. the forums are completely unmoderated, going through the discussions and I've already found multiple instances of straight up holocaust denial/glorification. it's absolutely rampant.

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[–] Bosht@lemmy.world 26 points 4 days ago

Translation: Our corpo overlords don't like that you can review bomb our shitty games and force us to take losses when we do shitty corpo things. Appease my bosses or they'll make me be bottom again with no lube.

[–] Zoldyck@lemmy.world 94 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Oh fuck off. The US is an unsafe place, not Steam.

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[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 12 points 4 days ago

Hitler My Friend is a 99 cent game on Steam with an 8/10 positive rating.

A 3D shooter that will change your ideas about alternative history! In this game you will climb into the boots of the unforeseen Adolf Hitler.

There's more, but I'm not sifting through more dog shit. This is a good thing.

[–] Comment105@lemm.ee 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Oh, it's a threat from the left. I was more worried about one from the right.

What the left says can be completely ignored right now.

[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

What do you mean "the left"? It is from the US so at best it is from the "slight less extreme far right".

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[–] callouscomic@lemm.ee 50 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (10 children)

As a long time Steam user, while I still really like Steam and think it's the more consumer friendly platform, it has devolved greatly. Especially discussion forums are nearly no different than reddit toxicity where people exhibit their worst behaviors. I miss the legitimate discussions and love for specific games. Now it's mostly complaining and complete disregard for developers being humans.

The flood of garbage games has also been fairly obvious over the last decade. Some filters on your account handle a lot of this at least for the adult ones, but not all of it. It reminds me of the Wii shovelware era, but far worse.



BUT I would remind the Senator they STILL don't even have a fucking budget passed for this fiscal year we are already a month and a half into and they oughta stay in their lane and do their first basic god damn job before pointing at the supposed failures of others.

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[–] stardust@lemmy.ca 59 points 5 days ago

Old ass boomer fixating on games are evil I guess and finding it deserves more attention than places like Twitter and YouTube filled with influencers who have the captive audience of very susceptible individuals that they are molding them to their image. Maybe focus on the root cause.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 43 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

Afaik, the discussion boards for individual games are not moderated by Valve staff (outside of their own titles and the general discussions not tied to any specific game), but by the developer of the game. And it pretty much is ignored by everyone outside of a few indie devs that either just believe in transparency and use the boards themselves, or because they have huge egos and act like little tyrants being the worst kind of Reddit/Discord mod. The only in-between is the automated systems that work off reports and filters.

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GabeN: There is nothing you can say to stop me from selling Furry Hitler

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 23 points 5 days ago (16 children)

Yes, people say mean things on the internet. That's never going away. Teach your children how to deal with it.

[–] Blazingtransfem98@discuss.online 17 points 4 days ago (10 children)

I don't think that Nazi shit or promotion of terrorism falls under "mean things on the internet" that would be over-trivializing, and I do say that because I have indeed seen many people doing these things in my years on Steam, as well as encouraging violence towards me for being a girl and having "used to have been a boy" (being transgender).

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[–] A_Filthy_Weeaboo@lemmy.world 28 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I know the article addresses it but... What about X'ter? Head of Twatter now has an official government position while his shitty company allows Neo Nazi, hate, homophobic, and misogynist behavior runs rampant!

What a fucking farce...

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[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 23 points 5 days ago

On Jan. 3rd, this will switch to a Republican senator saying the same thing, but the "extremist content" will be "woke."

[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 27 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Wow this push against Valve kind of popped up quickly and suddenly didn't it?

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[–] inlandempire@jlai.lu 32 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

PCGamer really hates doing journalism mhm ? You have to figure out which link goes back to the actual article about the mentioned report, and then find which link directly goes to the report : https://www.adl.org/resources/report/steam-powered-hate-top-gaming-site-rife-extremism-antisemitism

The full report actually provides a lot more information and answers some legitimate questions, and other ignorant comments raised in here, there's an entire appendix about their method and how they fine tuned an ai model to review 150+ million profile pictures / 600+ million comments

There's also interesting info about the customization of Steam profile, which I don't remember Steam publicly sharing :

At the time of data collection, Steam Community had 458.32 million users. Of these, 418.4 million were public profiles and 39.68 million were private profiles (even if a profile was private, there was certain related information that was publicly available).

Many of Steam Community’s 458.32 million users have not customized their accounts extensively. Only 7.4% of public profiles have a summary, Steam Community’s equivalent of a social media bio. 41.8% of profiles use Steam community’s default profile picture, making it the most common avatar on Steam, present on 191.2 million profiles.

Most Steam Community users are also not particularly active. One proxy for activity is player level, which users can increase by activities such as buying games or collecting trading cards while playing games on Steam. Among the 91.69% of Steam Community users who publicize their level, the average level is 2.8 and the median level is 0.0 (the maximum level observed was 5,001). Our detections should be interpreted with this context in mind.

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[–] barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

So, I guess the quick version is that the fun police are upset because of the gamer word. You know, the one used on Xbox live, a lot...

[–] Blazingtransfem98@discuss.online 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Which one? There's a lot of horrible gamer words? Is it the one that begins with R and is five letters long or a different gamer word?

[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

To be fair, it is full of racist and fascist stuff. You can report them but Valve doesn't do anything.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Welcome to the Internet

Is it worse then twitter or facebook? Also, can we stop infantilizing "young adults"? They're trying to discredit anyone's opinion who isn't a senior citizen.

[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)
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[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 days ago

What comes to my mind is Battlefront 2, which is sold by Steam. I think I paid $5 for it since I boycotted it back when it first came out to due to loot crates... anyway, I regularly see the n-word used in this game every. single. night. It's used specifically to denigrate people of color, in violent and extremely racist ways.

I don't understand how players with maxed out accounts are able to keep them when they are saying this stuff. How is that not flagged for immediate review? EA is a trash company, and Steam may want to stop selling their games if they can't do the BARE MINIMUM to combat this sort of behavior.

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