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[–] menas@lemmy.wtf 36 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That does not magically appears in Europe, but the victories thanks to strong unionism and revolutionary unionism. The same that was directly attacked by the US government in the 1920's

[–] uis@lemm.ee 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Fun fact: October Revolution haappened in Europe

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[–] MeatPilot@lemmy.world 156 points 3 days ago (4 children)

The biggest reason to knock off working on vacation or after hours is that it creates a false expectation on the the workload. If you can't get it done during regular office hours, than that means your company needs more people or a process improvement.

If you are working these extra untracked hours, you are the problem. If you get rewarded for doing so, your company is toxic and will only expect more as you move up the ladder.

[–] GetOffMyLan@programming.dev 7 points 2 days ago

The biggest reason is because it's not work time. End of.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I've worked at plenty of places which have made it fairly clear that the only way you can progress up in the company is to work out of hours. Extremely illegal business practice but they did it anyway.

One of the places was a law firm, because lawyers always think that they know how to break the law.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 47 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I told a manager that, if you work 60h a week, you don't know how to do you job. I slipped in that hourly payment isn't terrible either if you do so.

He never bothered to try to make me work "for free" ever again.

[–] MeatPilot@lemmy.world 26 points 3 days ago (4 children)

No one on there deathbed will say they wish they worked harder. They will regret all the other moments they missed because they were working too much.

Time is more than just money, it's your life.

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[–] scaredoftrumpwinning@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I work for a company with both European and American employees. Even the European employees didn't know how bad it was, and we work for the same employer. I hope I can live till retirement and not get diagnosed with cancer the day after like my Dad. Would be nice to do something those last years if there's a planet left, I have some money and my body isn't broken.

[–] doingthestuff@lemy.lol 2 points 2 days ago

I'm getting closer to retirement age and still have no money. I am trying to pull off the miracle of having a paid off house by then though.

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm 29 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Trump is gonna make it all better. And by better I mean worse. FAR worse.

[–] jqubed@lemmy.world 121 points 3 days ago (5 children)

I felt even more like I was getting a raw deal when I realized the Germans and French were largely taking the entire month of August off.

[–] NanoooK@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It feels unreal for me to know that some countries have not even 3 weeks of holidays. How can you relax and stop thinking about your job? People aren't exhausted?

[–] Omgpwnies@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

People are exhausted, too exhausted to put up a fight for change

[–] De_Narm@lemmy.world 56 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

They what? Why didn't any of my fellow Germans tell me?

Most jobs, at least the better paying ones, include 6 weeks of vacation. However, you can use them all at once.

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[–] ASDraptor@lemmy.autism.place 44 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I never take august because of this. EVERYONE and their mothers take august so everything is crowded and extremely overpriced.

I prefer getting some time in september and then spread the rest of my days the rest of the year.

[–] Chev@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

How to know that somebody has no children without telling you

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[–] Rinox@feddit.it 17 points 3 days ago

Germans and French vacations are a lot more spread out than this.

In Italy instead it's pretty much mandatory to take vacations in August, as whole industry sectors close down for 2-3 weeks. Factories go on a hiatus beginning from the second week of August to the start of the fourth week, or the end of the month.

Sometimes it's surreal when you stay home in August and the whole city is deserted, no one to be seen, no traffic, no noise, just scorching heat. At least in the North, in the south it's the exact opposite, with everyone going to the sea and the population doubling overnight at the start of August.

June and July instead are pretty much taken by the Germans, especially around the lakes of the North.

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[–] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 65 points 3 days ago (8 children)

I’m just one of countless victims of the launch of the cell phone in North American IT. This shit kills. Figurative and literally.

24 hour reachability is 24 hour work. Shit accumulates and all of a sudden you haven’t actually relaxed in 20 years and you get phantom phone vibrations.

Funny enough I wear a pager for 1/4 of my life now. But it’s totally fine because there’s on then off. Work days and not work days. Day and night. Work and life.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 36 points 3 days ago (4 children)

European cell phone adoption was about on par with the US. I don't think the technology is completely to blame here.

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[–] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago

I was on call 24/7 for years. It's been a long time since I had to deal with that (with a slide into a related career rather than changing careers) but I will never forget how terrible it was. I wasted what should have been my best years on that shit.

Now there's only one person at work who has my number. He doesn't call except for the one time I forgot to put my day off on the calendar. My work apps are paused at 5pm and all weekend. I only get alerts on my computer. However, I still twitch sometimes when my phone goes off after hours because it was a learned and deeply reinforced response for so many years.

[–] Denvil@lemmy.one 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I work as an electrician on a construction site, and one of the greatest perks of the job is that you leave it there. It's not like you can work from home in the first place, and we don't really have shifts. Everybody comes in at the same time and leaves at the same time, so you don't have to bother with covering extra shifts.

That isn't to say it's a dream job of course, the perks are great, but the work itself will probably bite me in the ass later with health issues...

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[–] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Yup, worked enterprise IT for a global call center, and I was expected to answer my phone at a moments notice. Even if I was in bed with my wife, I was expected to stop and answer. All while being paid 50% below market. Since the overseas IT teams were worthless, getting called at 2am was common.

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[–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 53 points 3 days ago (3 children)

When you can't afford to move but you live on the Florida coast

[–] Entropywins@lemmy.world 26 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You can't tell, but that's her living room...

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[–] ReginaPhalange@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago

Sell their houses to whom, Ben? Fucking Aquamen?

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[–] 96VXb9ktTjFnRi@feddit.nl 28 points 3 days ago (3 children)
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[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 37 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I stopped going to dinner with my wife and her father when he's in town. We will go to a restaurant and he'll pull out his laptop and phone and start working, while vaguely listening to what we're saying

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] PlexSheep@infosec.pub 24 points 3 days ago

Got to get gold in league somehow

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Did you tell him that directly? I think you should.

[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

My wife always brings it up. He's one of those people who just does his own thing and doesn't really care about anyone else's plans or preferences, so that's another reason I stopped going out with them. It could be a group of 10 and he wants Indian food but everyone else wants Mexican, so he compromises by having us all go to the Indian place... Where he can order his food in an Indian accent to the Indian waiter

[–] MissJinx@lemmy.world 34 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Labour laws my dude! When the government protect people and not corporations. I can just ignore them for 60 days a year and it's cheaper to accept than fire me

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[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 27 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Gonna go take a bath with my work laptop if anyone needs me.

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 16 points 3 days ago

Well I've just been paid to start drinking at 3:00 p.m. because apparently I haven't taken enough holiday this year.

Sucks to be free I guess.

[–] j4p@lemm.ee 11 points 3 days ago

Trying to bring that European holiday energy to my American workplace 😤

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