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[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 141 points 1 week ago (8 children)

I like Jason but he completely missed the boat on this one.

The active migration away from social media networks that are owned, controlled by, and distorted by the richest men and most powerful companies in the world to a decentralized platform that is not owned and controlled by billionaires is one of the more hopeful things to happen in what has largely been a bleak year for the human internet as AI slop infects everything and billionaires put their thumbs on the scale of what we see on social media.

He says this and yet jumps to Bluesky, a platform created by Jack Dorsey and now owned and managed by a crypto bro? You don't need powers of prophecy to see where Bluesky is headed.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 71 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Honestly I don't know what's up with the mass delusion about Bluesky being oligarch-free. It's understandable that most don't know or haven't looked into it, but then some folks that should know better are displaying the same ignorance.

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[–] zante@slrpnk.net 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

It’s very telling that all across lemmy this is being celebrated. Looks like most people completely missed the point.

I don’t myself like mastodon very much, but if you came to lemmy to stick it to the man it’s a bit silly to cheer on the next man, which is what bluesky is.

Twitter will remain a place for the Right and nut job grifters , probably absorb truth social and the others. bluesky will become the place for liberals and centrists who jerk each other off because they have a degree and gay friends and think they are enlightened.

Sorry , nobody asked for that rant .

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 31 points 1 week ago (15 children)

People aren't going to be convinced of social/communism overnight.

I celebrate the move to BlueSky as positive in that they are no longer propping up an apartheid tech bro who's now running a meme branch of US Government, and also because many of them are doing the thing they were scared to do before: leave. They now know how that feels and what it will be like rebuilding friend groups and such.

It's not the anti-corpo step many are deluding themselves to believe it is, but getting out of the muck and learning how to take the step to change something are both things I see as positives that can be guided to better things in the future.

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He says this and yet jumps to Bluesky, a platform created by Jack Dorsey and now owned and managed by a crypto bro?

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[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 138 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Lemmy does not understand that people are leaving X cuz of Nazis, not cuz it’s a centralized corpo platform.

[–] WalnutLum@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Pretty sure a significant portion of nazis are also moving to bluesky

[–] Tywele@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 1 week ago (5 children)

But on Bluesky you don't get them shoved in your face and there is culture of just blocking Nazis and moving on.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 11 points 1 week ago

Elon turned it into his own personal Nazi blog where people can't block him.

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[–] garretble@lemmy.world 60 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The CEO of Bluesky just posted they hit 17M users today after hitting 16M in the last 24 hours.

The juice is juicin'.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Threads, Blue Sky and Mastodon are at 292.8m mau vs Twitter’s 304m

[–] garretble@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Sure, but what percentage of users are bots on twitter at this point?

[–] P4ulin_Kbana@lemmy.eco.br 10 points 1 week ago

80%, if I'm feeling optmistic!

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[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 57 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

People are leaving Muskrats fascist supporting platform. So what if they aren't going to Mastedon, they're leaving Twitter. Isn't that enough for us?

I don't need Mastedon to win. I just want Twitter to lose. Once Twitter has been (hopefully) de-platformed we can talk about Mastedon and the Fediverse and the idea of a non-corpo platform.

But it terms of main stream casual appeal, Mastedon still doesn't have it yet, and that's okay.

Mastedon needs to get more casual with the introduction to the Fediverse because for everyday non-tech people, it can be a little confusing.

People see Bluesky as the Twitter replacement because of its simplicity.

[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 week ago (3 children)

They're leaving Musk, but they're not leaving his financial backers, and they're entering into the same kind of "possibly sold to a fascist despot at a moment's notice" situation they just left.

It's short sighted, perfirmative, and doesn't actually make the Internet better at all. It just tells us that people prefer a closed Internet owned by billionaires.

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[–] WalnutLum@lemmy.ml 48 points 1 week ago

Bluesky is not great, but it's at least (for now) a better platform than X and the AT protocol is actually very well written. (For instance having a moderation service separated from the service that provides the posts I think is a hands-down better way to handle it than most ActivityPub servers having their admins handle all incoming and outgoing moderation)

Bluesky federation is just now getting started so it'll be interesting to see if it goes anywhere/where it goes.

[–] frazw@lemmy.world 38 points 1 week ago

Anything which drives nails into the xitter coffin is a good thing as far as I'm concerned. Bluesky may not tick many people's boxes here on lemmy, but this migration shows that lots of people wanted to leave xitter but didn't see an option. Threads clearly didn't attract them, likely due to the owner. I hope it nothing else, Bluesky is a less toxic place and xitter and musk become less relevant. In the long run Bluesky may end up being another head of the hydra , but for now, it's not, and it may get people used to the idea of federation.

[–] eleitl@lemm.ee 36 points 1 week ago (4 children)

That decentralized and self-hostable platforms like Lemmy are fringe does not give me hope for the future of social networks on the Internet.

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 33 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

If people moving from one corpo owned platform to another corpo owned platform gives you hope for the future of the internet: You haven't been paying attention to the history of the internet at all.

Once they have critical mass, the enshittification for profit will begin a new.

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[–] Meltrax@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Whhhhhhy?

This is the same thing. This is the exact same type of platform that will eventually go the same way. This is shooting yourself in the foot once, then aiming the shotgun at the other foot and pulling the trigger thinking that the bullet was a fluke the first time.

[–] psychothumbs@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (4 children)

To be fair Musk buying twitter and turning it into a Nazi propaganda site was kind of flukey.

[–] TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social 13 points 1 week ago

Twitter was already really bad, Musk just brought back the Nazis and fired all the people that were the guardrails.

[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 week ago

Bluesky just got major investment from a crypto bro...

It's not flukey...

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[–] scytale@lemm.ee 17 points 1 week ago

Because most people switching don’t know (or care) about the fediverse and decentralization. They are regular internet users who just want to get away from the cesspool that is twitter, so they go where other people are going.

[–] Ottomade@lemmy.zip 20 points 1 week ago

Idk why people think the average user is going to go to Mastodon. I’m glad anything else other than Twitter or Threads is popping off.

Mastodon could have worked sooner if it was more approachable.

[–] staticsoar@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Shame that it's another Capital-owned platform taking the spotlight. I'm not surprised unfortunately. We'll be in the same place we are now in 10 years.

I'm preaching to the choir, but mastodon is the better platform if you want more authentic community and conversation.

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[–] Modva@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

I'm really enjoying Bluesky strangely enough, not normally my thing.

[–] witx@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

How does another social media ruled by a billionaire gives hope?

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Because it shows that a sizable amount of people are at least anti-nazi enough to move platform.

Yes, it would be nicer if they moved to mastodon, but nobody even knows what that is, nobody is there (classic chicken and egg problem), and people get confused by the whole "choose an instance/server" thing.

Is it not ok to have a small celebration of people moving to a better, more positive platform, even if it is far from perfect?

[–] shittydwarf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Anybody recommend a good mastodon instance?

[–] JoYo@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

my personal solo instance is great but the admin is an asshole.

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[–] Shatur@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Pick any instance that suits your interests: https://joinmastodon.org/en/servers There is also this picker.

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[–] CoderSupreme@programming.dev 15 points 1 week ago

It's venture capital. Eventually it will stop being open source and will enshitify just like every other platform. So nothing is changing long term in my opinion.

[–] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I hope some of them come to the Fediverse. It's nice that only the curious ones will come.

[–] realitista@lemm.ee 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I think the smartest ones will. Really I don't mind an intelligent community like this one.

[–] yamanii@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think this time it actually has some teeth to it, even big famous artists like Lack are on blue sky now, my feed is looking pretty good daily now where before I had to wait a few days before checking it out.

[–] priapus@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago

A lot of the big accounts I follow have been reporting a huge loss in followers on Twitter and an even larger influx of followers on Bluesky.

[–] demizerone@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

If it was owned by the community that moderated it, then yes. But no it's owned by another rich asshole.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 week ago (3 children)

quite the opposite for me. bluesky is a centralized platform owned by capital exactly like twitter, thus prone to the same issues.

migrating to bluesky instead of mastodon will just delay the problem.

[–] Default_Defect@midwest.social 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Bluesky actually has content though. Unless all you want is linux and news.

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[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The main thing I would like to know is why so many people nowadays want a microblog platform, whether it is X or Bluesky or Mastodon, and why community-based platforms like Lemmy are getting relatively little attention in comparison.

Is it just that these people weren't seriously online before the rise of microblogs? They didn't start out with phpBB-style forums, so don't miss their existence and think that individuals having followers is the normal state of the Internet? I'm genuinely not super sure what's going on.

[–] P4ulin_Kbana@lemmy.eco.br 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

People have different tastes, which can vary.

Microblogging is something more casual, and has more focus on the people sharing content. Community foruns are revolved around the content shared, so you don't really get to know people, so it has a difference on what they actually want.

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