Can I get that written in a contract?
this post was submitted on 15 Nov 2024
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Oh it will as soon as the investors demand more ReTurN oN iNvEsTmEnT.
Then we leave that platform too. I have zero loyalty. Zero.
I only have it because my family chose that over Mastodon. Mastodon is better.
But they'll have stragglers just the same as any major social media site. Even though many here have standards they won't easily abandon, there are scores of people that won't even know if/when AI started being used on the site or would care enough to leave if they did.
Plus every time we leave a platform we need to find or build a new one. The time it takes to get others to migrate and develop into a worthwhile community is hard to predict and it may not even work out. It sucks social media is such shit anymore, but it seems inevitable that it will remain that way given the landscape of the Internet at this point.
I say this as someone who's drifted from Fark to Digg to Reddit to Lemmy over the past 20-25 years 🎈 (zero loyalty as well)
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Yeah, I remember when Reddit promised similar things...
......for now.
"Bluesky has not been offered enough money to scrape user data for AI"
The API is so cheap someone is going to do it anyways...
That's my biggest issue with AI. Now all the APIs want me to pay to use them. Originally the API was an incentive to get engineers to build features for their sites without having to pay them. The engineers get data they need to build their thing and the company providing the API gets free product features and user acquisition. It was mostly a fair trade. Now the companies see a few other companies using that data to train API and make a fortune so their reaction is to charge a fortune for the API. Totally disregarding the previous arrangement. If you are an engineer working on something unrelated to AI you are basically shut down from using any APIs that provide useful data. Everything is locked down now when it once was open. It's so sad. It makes learning more restrictive
To be fair, "they" could probably train AI on Lemmy data, they just won't ask for permission and won't be charged for it
AI is 100% being trained using Lemmy.
"Well, WE won't train on your data. But this subsidiary company we created on the other hand..."
Nah, first you gotta get comfortable for a couple of years.
It's basically pig butchering for social networks.
Won't train AI on your posts ~~until we reach critical mass of users~~.
They also said it was decentralized which is not true.
I don't believe this.
well there's a protocol but everyone is on the main one, i don't think theres even a non personal instance.
Yeah, I looked into it and the backend is proprietary, so the central owner can restrict features. Like for instance independent instances can only have 10 users.
It's "decentralised" except only in extremely limited scope, the code is centrally controlled and the network remains largely, functionally centralised.
They're capitalising on the decentralised, federated buzz while doing it so poorly they're setting up users to say "oh people tried decentralisation, it doesn't work, look at Bluesky".
If it's not open source, it's not decentralised.
Bluesky is VC backed. They'll want to make money down the road, and they'll definitely train AI soon if not already.
Maybe the VC's are dying soon and they wanted to do something useful with their exorbitant wealth before they die
Funny!
Lol
Sounds exactly like something that someone intending to train an AI would say.
BlueskAI on the other hand...
If the AT protocol allows public access to content, they can’t create a proprietary training set. But the content is available for anyone who wants to add it to a public training set.
It's open to the public. So, many other orgs are certainly doing it anyway.
The same can be said of lemmy, mastodon or any publically accessible forum
Absolutely. I worked somewhere where we routinely had alarms go off due to botnets swarming us with weird (and obnoxious) massive download tactics (of publicly available user generated content, that is).
If it can be gotten by anyone, it will be gotten by LLM trainers.
Better BlueSky than Twitter, but I hope everyone understands by now that there’s literally no reason to take a business’s word for anything unless they somehow have legally obligated themselves to doing that thing forever. Otherwise you can only trust them to keep doing it for as long as it’s worth it from an economic perspective. I’m not saying that it can’t ever happen that a business acts out of pure goodwill, but only a fool would count on it.
I've yet to hear a good argument for why it matters even if they did. I've made thousands of comments on Lemmy that are free for anyone to grab and do anything they want with. If I didn't want people to have access to them I wouldn't be posting on the first place.
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Why is this taking off but not Mastadon?
Better marketing
Which marketing and better how, exactly?
Can anyone please point me an example of Bluesky marketing that isn't word of mouth or large-event headlines on the news?
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Barrier of entry is marginally lower. With mastodon you'll have to make a decision on what instance you're creating your account. With Bluesky there's just Bluesky.
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Lol okay. Sounds good, bro.
But did they pinky promise?
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