Bluesky managed to go offline practically entirely. I count on you folks to spork the hell out of this.
See also here.
also incredibly easy for the federal government to take them out
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Sorry, Lemmy.world and Lemmy.ml were down for maintenance again. You were saying?
Can they do it again please?
And the fact that I had no idea kinda disproves your point. I am browsing Lemmy a lot.
The joke is that most of lemmycels are on lemmy.world and lemmy.ml. Not that these instances literally went down.
Please don't explain my joke. Just let it woosh over them.
Because most of the communities are on those 2 instances. In terms of userbase world does have the most users, but they're the exception as other "big" instances are more evenly split.
So instead of a single instance going down we have 2 main instances that need to go down, and even if they go down we'd have lemmee, shitjustworks, lemmyca and blahaj (and I guess also lemmynsfw) communities feeding the feed.
I could absolutely cruise games and memes on shit just works for a day if other instances are down
I agree, having multiple main instance is better than what we had. Also thank you for reminding me lemmynsfw, time for donating.
No idea what a lemmycel is or what that would have to do with bluesky
Slur for lemmy users like redditor for reddit users.
Aren't we lemmings?
Oh, but ey wanted to be edgy and offensive
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Well, this user has posted on feddit.uk with a sh.itjust.works account. I would have been able to see it, but you wouldn't have.
To be honest, lemmy.world AND lemmy.ml could go offline I would barely notice it.
I have them both blocked, so yeah, they aren't that important at all.
i can understand blocking .ml, whats wrong with .world though?
Purely anecdotal but… the 3 stupidest people I’ve ever met online were all from .world - and there seems to be a propensity for deleting comments that go against their world view. Only knowingly interacted with one .ml poster and they were perfectly decent.
They have "power users" that mod multiples of the largest communities and will delete comments of they disagree with your opinion, citing "civility" or other nonsense, even when you're repeating back exactly what was said to you. So, yeah, abusive moderation.
I think I would mainly notice because my whole feed would be wholesome, supportive, and funny.
Lemmy.world is fine, as for lemmy.ml...
Fuck you
^/s^
Shit doesn't work
Who?
Ah, shit.
Based on https://www.theverge.com/2024/11/14/24296537/bluesky-acting-up-outage-down it was down for 15-30 minutes and for some it was just read-only.
Lemmy instances regularly go down for maintenance longer than this.
Twitter used to regularly "fail whale" and in the long run no one cares.
Yes, decentralizing is a good thing. Yes, it's fun to poke at BlueSky. But in the long run if you have a product that people want to use then they'll put up with a lot of crap/downtime.
The point is that bluesky has no interest in being actually decentralized, it's just a gimmick
Yeah because decentralization is just a gimmick. It sounds cool on paper, but in reality it doesn't solve many problems - it just introduces many others. The only situation where it helps is if an instance goes down permanently, and even then it's not that helpful.
Decentralization greatly decreases vendor lock-in, lessens the damage of a single actor and adds competition. These are serious long-term benefits for a service and its users.
There's a reason why something like email is still around and being innovated on 40 years later, while its proprietary competitors are long since dead. And it's not that the technology is very good.
Bluesky is just another ICQ/AIM/Slashdot/Digg, a little walled garden that will eventually be ran into the ground. Which is fine. The issue is that it's trying to embrace and extinguish the fediverse by pretending to be decentralized.
Yes, but there is a huge difference between email and social media - namely the community. You don't have that in email, so changing a provider is as simple as "my email now says @gmail.com". For social media, you need to "migrate" an entire group of people and the content that was present on a doomed instance. Which never happens. It's never seamless, it's always the "same" community with no history, different moderation, server, with different people. Don't get me started on two communities about the same thing, on two different servers, that don't know about one another.
Fracturing the lifeblood of your "forum", "community" - your users will end up making decentralized frameworks / social media less popular than large centralized ones - no matter what you do.
changing a provider is as simple as
making sure every single account you had that is tied to your email now points to a correct new one. And also informing every one of your contacts of the change, which is easier but also less efficient since half of them is going to miss the announcement and keep writing to an email that no longer exists
There’s a reason why something like email is still around and being innovated on 40 years later, while its proprietary competitors are long since dead.
Can you tell me more about those competitors? I did a quick google search but could not find anything tangible
Eh, I feel like the important part of decentralization right now is the potential to migrate.
Like, how many social media sites actually last 5 years before shitting the bed?
If admins of an instance get shitty, it's trivial to move to a new one. Traditional social media you'd have to migrate to a completely different site, with different features, layout, and other stuff.
People won't all wait for the same reason, as the biggest becomes actually "big" we'll see them start to fracture.
There just wasn't enough people on fediverse to start out like that.
So think of Blue sky, World, and all those other "big" instances that still don't have that many users as the egg for the future fediverse that actually has enough users to be proper decentralized
at least when an AP instance goes titsup people can hop on another instance. thats not currently possible with bluesky. to me that puts AP a step above AT
Is it possible to move all of you subscriptions and comments to a new Lemmy instance?
Yes, in your user settings there should be a button to Export/Import. I think it grabs the communities you subscribe to and any comments that you've starred. The comments you've made won't come with.
The comments you've made won't come with.
Probably a deal breaker for many
What about block lists? Are those transferred?
Subscriptions yeah, you can download it with some settings and upload to a new account on most (all?) instances.
Comments tho I'm not sure what you mean. But I can't think of any interpretation where you'd be able to migrate those.
Is migrating really practical? Will your followers automatically follow you on your new server?
On Mastodon yes, it is also compatible with a few other software like Akkoma. Your followers will get a notification that you moved and will automatically follow the new account. Works very seamlessly in my experience.
Thanks a lot, very helpful
On Mastodon it's very easy and it brings your followers over
It offers possibilities, which are infinitely more probable than systems without such possibilities.
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I think you misunderstand. Bluesky is completely non federated. It has nothing to do with the fediverse and there is no ability to migrate.
Not sure if your information is outdated or if you're using a different definition of federate, but this blog post says they have support for a degree of federation: https://bsky.social/about/blog/02-22-2024-open-social-web
Hmm thanks. It looks like you can set up a server with their protocol but it doesnt use activitypub. So it is technically federated but its not part of the whole mastodon/lemmy/pixelfed/etc fediverse.
This is really shitty and just creates a whole lot of unnecessary work for everyone if they want to reach bluesky users. If you were slightly more cynical you could say they skipped over the Embrace step and are already at the Extend step, trying to split the fediverse.
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It's more like """federated""".
Assuming people dont make multiple accounts and each server goes offline for maintenance for the same time, wouldnt both one server and multiple servers act the same for the user?
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