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[–] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 46 points 2 days ago (18 children)

I'm sorry if this comes across as cynical to everyone but I'm worried about the ratchet effect. Even if we vote in Biden and he doesn't have a majority in both the House and Senate, no lasting changes to government can be made. Even if we get a slim majority in both chambers there's no telling if we're gonna have another Sinema, Manchin, or Fetterman go and betray the party during a critical vote. It feels like there are so many Democrats who are willing to get in bed with corporate and fascist interests and act as sleeper agents.

How are we supposed to prevent them from sabotaging important government reforms? Republicans seem to have all the time in the world to implement their strategies while Democratic voters struggle every election cycle just to keep things from getting worse. Yes I get we need to act more locally but I'm personally located in a deep blue part of the country so my impact is negligible. Other than donating to candidates that I hope won't betray our interests, I see little in regards to what can be done on my end.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 43 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I'm not voting for Biden to get major changes. I'm voting for him to make sure I can keep voting in the future.

[–] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 25 points 2 days ago

Voting for Biden gives me 4 more years to get the fuck out.

[–] Tryptaminev@lemm.ee 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Problem is this already was not enough in 2020 and since. Despite all the evidence of Trumps presidency and then fucking January 6, Dems decided to just get back to business as usual and just ignore the fundamental problems in American society that became apparent with Trump.

And Biden is not in shape to deal with any of this, while the DNC seems hellbent on pretending there is no serious problem.

We need a different younger candidate and voting will not be enough. We need local action, in the communities, local governance, protests..

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[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Even if we get a slim majority in both chambers there’s no telling if we’re gonna have another Sinema, Manchin, or Fetterman go and betray the party during a critical vote.

That's why we need more than a slim majority. Seems pretty obvious.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The public option was killed when we had a supermajority.

There are always enough Manchins.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

We had the slimmest of supermajorities for like four months, still passed health care legislation that saved countless lives and is the biggest advancement towards universal health care in our lives. You are literally complaining that everything isn't perfect all the time, so why bother.

Also, conspiracy theories are religion for people who think they're too cool for religion, but are truly too stupid/cowardly to face reality. Conspiracy theories are simple and make the world make sense. Reality is complicated and difficult.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago

It's not a conspiracy theory to say that centrists lie to get elected then go back on their word.

The ACA has been a disappointment to everyone but the insurance industry and to centrists who are just happy that it was limited to what Clinton ran on.

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[–] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 317 points 3 days ago (44 children)

If you live in Nevada, Arizona, Texas, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Georgia, or Florida (really any of the fifty states, but these are the most critical), AND you don't want to see Donald Trump elected for a second term, you must vote for Joe Biden in November. Yes Biden is a doddering old man who is experiencing rapid cognitive decline, and yes it is totally unacceptable that these are our choices, but disengaging does not solve the problem, it only makes it worse.

Believe me, I completely understand the inclination to just say to hell with it and check out, but we can't do that. I have been as guilty of it as anyone but I now fully recognize it was a mistake. But it's not too late to make it right. Voting is not only a right, it is a responsibility. If we, the people, want to rule, we must be vigilant and responsible.

Right now, our priority is damage control and harm reduction. I know, it has been that way for far too long, and that is extremely frustrating, but it is nonetheless the reality of the situation. We must vote for Biden this year, and then we MUST stay engaged so that we can work toward nominating the best possible candidate in 2028. We must stay informed and vote, diligently, in every state, local, and primary election.

[–] MudSkipperKisser@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

I so want nothing to do with this election, I feel so defeated and disgusted by all of it BUT I keep reminding myself that if I don’t vote then I essentially voted for whoever ends up winning. And that could easily be Trump. And in my view he’s not just an awful candidate, he’s an existential threat eat to democracy. So I will vote. But damn, literally almost anyone else could beat Trump, why this is our choice is so insane.

[–] whocares314@lemmy.world 96 points 3 days ago (13 children)

It’s more than just damage control. Everything you said should be enough to get people to vote, but the sad reality is reducing it to that may not be enough. If you’re reading this and considering whether or not to vote, OP is 100% correct. You need to do it. Make no excuse, get it done. But try to feel good about it too. You’re not just voting for one person, you’re voting for an entire administration, and Biden has proven himself in that regard. Under a Biden administration you’re going to have competent people working at all levels of the federal government, which is a big deal. Biden’s administration has done a lot of good as well that is easy to gloss over in favor of focusing on his negative attributes:

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/02/02/joe-biden-30-policy-things-you-might-have-missed-00139046

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2024-opinion-biden-accomplishment-data/

https://www.whitehouse.gov/therecord/

You also need to be at the polls to vote for your down-ballot candidates. Do not underestimate the importance or closeness of those races.

No candidate is ever going to be perfect for you. Personally I wish we were finishing the 8th year of a Bernie Sanders presidency. But that doesn’t mean that because I didn’t get it perfectly the way I want it I’m going to take my ball and just go home. I hate the democrat strategy right now, but please don’t let yourself be told that Biden has been a bad president. He’s done some things you can be happy about and some things you can wish were different. If you want to see those differences, the best way you can do that is to be politically active and work for that change. Not participating means you forfeit that right.

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[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 96 points 3 days ago (8 children)

It's been like 15 years of me saying at first, parallels with Idiocracy, but the last 10 or so: "you know how the beginning of every dystopian end times film begins with the news montage about natural disasters, rising populism, income inequality, and whatnot? Have you read any headlines?"

[–] suodrazah@lemmy.world 53 points 2 days ago

Idiocracy is a better timeline, the president tried to put the smartest person in charge. Good luck getting that in our reality.

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[–] cumskin_genocide@lemm.ee 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I haven't seen Handmaidens tale. Please relate the story to Star wars or Harry Potter, maybe even the hunger games, and then I'll understand better.

[–] Tryptaminev@lemm.ee 27 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Remember how in Harry Potter Voldemort returns at the end of year 4, but instead of dealing with it, Fudge and his crownies decide to claim Dumbledore and Harry are lying or delusional? And then they proceed to attack them, while ignoring the things happening like people disappearing and stuff, that are attributed to Voldemort by Dumbledore? For like an entire year until Fudge literally sees Voldemort in the ministry?

We are in this period.

[–] cumskin_genocide@lemm.ee 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Now explain it to me via anime

[–] Username@feddit.de 6 points 1 day ago (5 children)
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