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Jacob Hersant, a self-described Nazi, was sentenced to one month in prison, becoming the first person in Australia jailed for performing an outlawed Nazi salute.

Convicted in Victoria for making the salute outside a courthouse in October, Hersant’s act followed new legislation banning the gesture.

Magistrate Brett Sonnet justified the sentence, citing Hersant’s intent to promote Nazi ideology publicly.

Hersant’s lawyer argued that his actions were nonviolent and claimed they were protected as political expression, stating plans to appeal the ruling on constitutional grounds.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 69 points 2 weeks ago

I have a reason to post a Riker after what happened in the U.S. on Tuesday! Oh god, it's better than therapy...

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 57 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Good.

It was a mistake letting Nazis and others practice their terrorist views in public. Freedom of expression is not and never should be an absolute right.

[–] ArchRecord@lemm.ee 21 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I understand why people seem to think we should tolerate these views, because "muh free speech," but to them, I say:

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The paradox of tolerance doesn't exist once you understand that tolerance is a social contract.

If one party doesn't adhere to the contract, then the other party also doesn't have to either.

[–] anzo@programming.dev 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I keep forgetting who said it, and I will rephrase terribly but there's this antifa quote that goes something like "A person of color, homosexual, or Jew doesn't really have a choice to stop being who they're. Meanwhile, a fascist can stop spreading their hate towards others. That's all we ask, and we won't be tolerant."

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 weeks ago

Also, what does it mean to "tolerate" the existence of minorities? What exactly are we "tolerating"? Tolerance in every other context means to accept deviation from a standard or some negative outcome.

Framing anyone's mere existence as a thing to be "tolerated" is to imply they are deviant or negative.

That's where the paradox of tolerance loses me. I don't think we should be tolerant in general. I think we should make value judgements about what is good or bad and act accordingly. Every society does this, and pretending we're above it all and completely neutral is dishonest.

And if the "tolerance" is of differing views, diversity of thought is also good, not a bad thing to be tolerated.

It's simple: we identify behaviour that is bad, like bigotry and hatred, and we say no. We're not rejecting it because it's merely different, and to accept that framing is to accept the cry-bullying of fascists. We reject them because they suck, and we don't owe them shit about it.

[–] thatsTheCatch@lemmy.nz 33 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Imagine being his lawyer and having to come up with an argument to defend him. Yeesh

[–] Vilian@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 weeks ago

A lawyer one time said that his job when defending someone that couldn't be defended is guaranteeing that the prosecutors do their job property just because the guy is totally guilt

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 29 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"My support of political ideologies which directly propose genocide is completely non-violent, trust me bro."

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

And you aren't part of thee group were genociding

[–] yamanii@lemmy.world 26 points 2 weeks ago

It's the tolerance paradox, you can't tolerate these people and have a peaceful democracy. This is the answer.

[–] in4aPenny@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Didn't we used to kill Nazi's and celebrate their demise in movies like Indiana Jones?

[–] emmy67@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Apparently we didn't kill enough

[–] in4aPenny@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Would be easier to continue if our state apprati didn't protect them. You'd get shot by police for shooting at Nazi's now.

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[–] Jon_Servo@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Self-described Nazi

Yeah, there's a term for that: Nazi. Just call them that.

[–] Danquebec@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago

I think it's to clarify that it's not coming from the judgement of the newspaper. The Nazi himself is calling himself a Nazi. So, there's no doubt about it.

[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Since I doubt he is a certified member of the National Socialist Party, I'd argue the more accurate term would be "neo-Nazi".

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[–] Hubi 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This dude looks so much like the Austrian neo-nazi Martin Sellner that it's actually uncanny. I genuinely thought this was him. Maybe they are long lost brothers?

[–] 5wim@slrpnk.net 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The pictured dude in the article is apparently

Tim Smartt, the lawyer for Jacob Hersant, arriving at court in Melbourne, Australia, on Friday

and not the shithead himself. But I don't disagree

[–] vividspecter@lemm.ee 3 points 2 weeks ago

Nah, it's definitely him. It looks to be an error in the caption. Or his lawyer looks uncannily like his client.

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Do it again 😉! Let's rack that baby up to 20 to life!.... How many years did he get?

[–] gerbler@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

It's literally in the summary. 1 month.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 3 points 2 weeks ago

The canaries are dying.

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