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[–] DeLacue@lemmy.world 33 points 9 hours ago (19 children)

Multiple regulatory bodies are going to get disbanded. The EPA is unlikely to survive, whole departments of the FDA are about to get gutted. Anything involving industrial safety is going to get its funding cut. Unconstitutional crackdowns on free and independent media is almost certain. Large scale damage to the functions of many government institutions can be expected. Massive economic damage due to reckless deregulation ( that's even before they start putting tariffs on everything and wind up in multiple simultaneous trade wars). Funding for education and infrastructure maintenance will be reduced to allow tax cuts for the already wealthy. Massive loss of global influence and a massive gain in influence by hostile autocratic nations is also something you can expect.

I could go on and on but even if you were to assume they weren't serious about project 2025 (if you haven't read that you should) it's real bad.

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[–] SquatDingloid@lemmy.world 18 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

If you're a white Christian male you are the shit.

Anyone else is losing rights

Also Trump will declare martial law after 4 years with presidential immunity and every position of power stacked with handpicked loyalists.

Unless there is a revolution of some kind the US will probably go the path of Nazi Germany after Hitler achieved total control

Inb4 Trump’s Nazi base on Venus.

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[–] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 16 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Who cares, it's what they want and what they voted for, AGAIN. I'd be more concerned about the rest of the world. America can go off in a puff of smoke and it would be the best thing the ever did

[–] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 14 points 10 hours ago (9 children)

Except your trade would be hindered. Russia would plow through Europe. The power vacuum made by America "puffing up in smoke" would be so great and horrific it would probably overshadow WW2 total deaths.

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[–] rsuri@lemmy.world 30 points 14 hours ago (7 children)

We should remember that most Americans still live in blue states with sane governments. The federal government can't just barge in and do whatever it wants, and if tries to do so, the social contract that binds the nation together is broken and secession becomes a real possibility. But that's unlikely because Trump is far too clueless to know about any of the problems he'll run into if he tries to implement any of his plans.

Which is fine for him because it was always a con anyway. He talks and acts out of his ass. What he will do is anyone's guess, but it'll at least be restrained by what's realistically possible.

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 6 points 6 hours ago

The Federal government CAN just barge in. We specifically designed the structure that way. Federal supercedes state.

[–] DeLacue@lemmy.world 15 points 9 hours ago

I'd love be as optimistic as you but unless Trump changes his mind the US will get a brainwormed fanatical anti-vaccier in charge of deciding which vaccines are safe to use. Even if the states don't cooperate with trump's agenda there are so many long standing federal institutions which till now you've never needed to think about that are about to get wrecked.

[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

He will absolutely move the military into a blue state to force compliance. This is how the next civil war will start. Red Force and blue resistance.

[–] Lennnny@lemmy.world 17 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

And what about the ones, like me, in red states? How fucked are we? (I know the answer and hence drunk and high rn)

[–] yrmp@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago

Realistically people should start to self sort and leftists should start to purchase and train with guns if they don’t have them for their family’s protection.

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 13 hours ago

Join us in the PNW! We have legal weed!

[–] aStonedSanta@lemm.ee 12 points 13 hours ago

And what about project 2025. That total teeheee not our plan teeheee thing …

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[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 49 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

anywhere from not really, to literally world war 3.

trump is a loose cannon.

We do not win here.

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[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 19 points 14 hours ago

The US is just as fucked as everything and everyone else, which is 100%

The Fifth Risk is a very good read for anyone who might be interested in a finer grained look into the lesser-known functions of our government 👍

[–] prime_number_314159@lemmy.world 25 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Trump was pretty ineffective in his first term, largely because he did a terrible job of supporting people who really agreed with his agenda, and an even worse job of removing people from influential positions who didn't.

He said during his campaign that he knew much better who to trust, but now he's got Elon Musk and RFK Jr. prominently featured. I don't think he has learned anything, and I think he will be just as ineffective this time.

It's possible that some of the Republicans in Congress will support more of his agenda, but even there if they have to overcome the filibuster, I don't think mass deportation, a federal abortion ban, or most of the rest of the potential worst of it is in the cards.

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 4 points 9 hours ago

I reckon that in all likelihood the Project 2025 folks will piss him off at some point and he'll just throw a tantrum and refuse to work with them. Doesn't mean he'll suddenly turn into a leftist, but if he doesn't play ball, they'll have trouble getting anything passed.

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[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 11 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

It's actually likely to be better as long as trump waddles on. He's just so god damn bumbling that even with all the cards, he'll find little ways to not get his shit done.

Mind you it won't be enough, and it will be god damn fucking horrific. But decidedly less smooth while Narcissism Jones keeps grabby-handsing the wheel from his handlers and derailing his own goals.

[–] yrmp@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Until they kill him or use the 25th amendment to install Vance. Now that he’s won, you think the people around the useful idiot who have accepted all the Russian money will just let him fuck their plans up?

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 2 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

It's a double-edged sword, even for the GOP. Trump's followers are a cult, and cultists follow one person. So without Trump as the godhead, there's no one with enough (ugh) charisma and panache to unify the GOP rabble.

[–] yrmp@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

The right wing always galvanizes behind someone new if it means they get to hurt their enemies.

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Sure, but understand basic Followership: a cultist will allow any action, any cut, so long as they believe it ingratiates them with their Leader.

No culthead, no cult following. The GOP reverts to a mob.

[–] yrmp@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Until a new strongman pops up. I’ve been watching this movie for 30+ years.

They’re not going to seize power and then fuck it up. Project 2025 will go forward. There is structure behind this movement. I’d like to believe that Trump dying or going away would fix the problem too, but it won’t.

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

You might be right. I've also been watching this debacle for 30 years, so I can't say you're wrong, but I am hoping the high level marionettes die off (as so many are incredibly old) before the new crop of would-be-Confederates has a chance to reorganize.

Of course, the Dems would assuredly bungle that opportunity as well, since I have been watching this play out, act after act.

[–] yrmp@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Joe Rogan, Aiden Ross, Theo Von, Andrew Tate, etc. will have Gen Z men in lockstep with whoever rises to the top of the shit pile. It’s like Rush Limbaugh on steroids. Coordinated, algorithm driven, and a pipeline ready to take any young man without critical thinking skills down the slippery slope to the alt-right.

That’s what scares me the most and feels different about all of this.

I was worried Bush 2 would cancel elections to continue presiding over his War on Terror. This feels so much worse.

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Can't argue against those points, though I still think that the figures listed lack the broader weight and gravitas required to successfully hold together a cult following. Trump succeeds because he's also an old Boomer, and old Boomer white men like to imagine they are him- a weak man's idea of a strong man.

As to the young men of America, we have essentially left them behind for 25-30 years as the cultural focus pivoted to ensuring that girls and young women have a seat at the table. So now young women are graduating college and going into advanced education and growing professional careers, but boys and young men have been handed the remnants of toxic masculinity, without any real, positive modeling. My father predicted this outcome in the late 90s and it's been heartbreaking to watch it play out.

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