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[alt text: a screenshot of a tweet by @delaney_nolan, which says, "Biden/Harris saw this polling and decided to keep unconditionally arming Israel". Below the tweet is a screenshot from an article, which states: "In Pennsylvania, 34% of respondents said they would be more likely to vote for the Democratic nominee if the nominee vowed to withold weapons to Israel, compared to 7% who said they would be less likely. The rest said it would make no difference. In Arizona, 35% said they'd be more likely, while 5% would be less likely. And in Georgia, 39% said they'd be more likely, also compared to 5% who would be less likely."]

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[–] jonne@infosec.pub 16 points 1 day ago

But they got the Cheneys!

[–] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Having trouble seeing those who (non-)voted for ending democracy, women's rights, and oppression of LGBTQ+ and non-christians as allies. Not enthusiastic about the candidate? I don't care. If they're going to do less harm, they're the only ethical choice. The basic numbers showed that one of two candidates would win. Ignoring that and the suffering that would be caused to vulnerable groups by one candidate for ideological purity is a hard thing to forgive.

[–] theangriestbird@beehaw.org 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Then get used to losing elections, I guess. You generally can't change a person's mind unless they already respect you.

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[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 day ago

The people you want to blame aren't here in a politics community. Maybe a few posters here did a protest vote, probably in a safe state where it didn't matter, but most people here voted. The people who didn't vote (in numbers meaningful to winning) weren't sitting down to think about what the world would be like in each outcome and then saying "eh, it's fine either way", they were marginal voters who just didn't really think it was important because politicians either don't care about them or don't follow through on promises. They're just going to check out when you call them or the other politician names, because it's a tiring endeavor that they don't care about. You definitely have people in your life that say "they're not political" and check out as soon as politics is brought up. You're never going to reach those voters by expressing your disdain in a forum for politically engaged people, the only way to get to them is to actually motivate them to vote en masse with legit campaigns to inspire them that their lives will get better if they take this action.

[–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Everyone here missing the point...

[–] theangriestbird@beehaw.org 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I want to build a broad-based coalition that marginalizes these fascists so we never again have to choose between a fascist and a genocide-enabler. But nah, let's just stay in our echo chambers and tear each other to shreds while society crumbles outside.

[–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Just want to clarify I was referring to the comments and not your post. I will be right there with you.

[–] theangriestbird@beehaw.org 7 points 1 day ago

I know I got that! I was just adding to the sentiment. If anything, I'm getting the sense that more here agree with us than disagree, and I find that heartening.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 day ago

The same thing is looking like it's going to happen in Canada

Current Liberal government is going to hold out all support for a genocidal country doing genocidal things for no apparent obvious reason and any moderate voter out there will avoid them for them it.

It doesn't matter what your politics are ... if your political party openly and wholeheartedly wants to support something that does no benefit to your country, ruins the lives of others and supports a maniacal regime, and does it at the cost of millions and billions of dollars -> why would you want to vote for them?

I don't get it .... sure Israel is pretty important but why would political leaders obviously tank their entire prospects just to save the support of a country that has very little to do with their own other than to cost everyone money.

[–] TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Got a link to the quoted article, by chance?

[–] theangriestbird@beehaw.org 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Good question - I did some digging. It seems the poll was commissioned by IMEU and conducted by YouGov, who has historically been a high-quality pollster. The poll seems to have taken place in late August. IMEU has this article on their site about it. I am not seeing any article on YouGov's site, but frankly their site is a bit difficult to navigate.

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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I don't use Xitter so all I can see is the single tweet and it's just an image, no attribution.

Found an article but it doesn't link to the source either.

https://zeteo.com/p/poll-harris-democrats-gaza-ceasefire-arms-embargo

[–] theangriestbird@beehaw.org 7 points 1 day ago

There's this for methodology, at the end of the article:

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[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Sorry but is there a source for this poll? I’m curious how this data was collected? (And am always skeptical of data cited in a toot without a source).

Edit: Just saw it is said to be YouGov survey from June with a small sample size, although no link is provided.

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