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[–] shasta@lemm.ee 40 points 2 days ago

The problem with that strategy is that moderate Republicans don't watch the news. They believe that all other Republicans are just like them and hold all the same beliefs, because all their friends are in the same echo chamber. So then they believe all Republican politicians are the same way. They intentionally don't pay attention to the news because it is full of sensationalism and depressing things they can't personally control like terrorism and mass shootings. They still believe it's important to vote, because that's the patriotic thing to do, and they can just fill the bubbles next to every name marked REP and not have to worry about doing research and learning facts. It's just the easy way and they've lived their whole lives doing things the easy way because of white privilege and generational wealth, but any low points in their lives they will consider to be "hardship" so they "know" that anyone living in poverty is just not trying hard enough, because they personally made it through that "struggle" with barely more than the average effort they usually contribute to anything.

How do I know this? I was raised in a family that is exactly how I described here. The only reason I'm not just like them is that I went to public school and made friends with kids who did not come from the same background. It took about 17 years to finally see all the flawed logic and head-in-sandness before finally breaking free and forging my own path based on my own beliefs.

[–] RickRussell_CA@lemmy.world 31 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I mean, there's a whole lot that went wrong, but the big one was subverting the democratic process with primaries that didn't really pick a popular candidate (2016 and 2024).

The primaries are the time for the candidate to energize a base of support. Harris has never energized anybody, and it was silly to think that affection for Biden would carry her.

Conservatives vote in force to signal their loyalty to their chosen community.

Progressives stay home when they perceive that their community doesn't chose them. Harris' vote totals at the end of this will sit somewhere below Biden 2020, for that reason.

[–] HuntressHimbo@lemm.ee 28 points 2 days ago

I wouldn't leave 2020 out. Having politicians ahead of Joe Biden pull out to endorse him ahead of super Tuesday was really irregular and didn't result in a good candidate either

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[–] blazera@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Democrats just aren't going to be the progressive party. How many times are you going to fail to learn this lesson?

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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 30 points 2 days ago

Yay oligarchy.

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 19 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Looked at the dem votes for the last few elections and it looked consistent except for biden. Who somehow got way more than normal.

2008 69 mil 2012 65 mil 2016 65 mil 2020 81 mil 2024 66 mil

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 29 points 2 days ago (7 children)

votes for Biden were "anything oh god anything but this."

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[–] Bertuccio@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (7 children)

The Biden campaign offered something, notably student loan forgiveness, but both Clinton and Harris's campaigns relied on the dumbfuck Pied Piper strategy that they would offer nothing to the voters other than being not-Trump.

That's a dumb fucking strategy because there are fewer people that will vote Democrat as the lesser evil than will vote Republican just because Republican. They have to court people with policies they actually want.

And the absolute crazy thing is they tried this in 2016 and it failed, yet somehow had the balls to try again when it mattered more.

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[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Also the only white male in those years…

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[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (6 children)

In part, yes, but it's a more complicated issue though. It's a death by thousand cuts.

There's also the whole doubling-down on the Israel-Palestine conflict, Twitter propping up the far-right everywhere it can, etc.

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