cross-posted from: https://jlai.lu/post/8269177
Being french ATM :
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Germany: "We won last time. It's ok to be third place this time."
Don't group the US and the UK together here. The UK is on track to expel most of their Conservatives in the next surprise election because the Conservative in charge is an impulsive man-baby. The US is on track to hold their very last election as they fall into a tyranny built by Christofacists and Ultracapitalists and lead by the most ridiculous cult of personality you've ever seen.
Eh? Labour has been racing over to the right since Starmer buried all of his leadership election pledges and surrounded himself with all the most reactionary neo-liberal ghouls he could find. They're little different in political outlook from the 2010-15 tory-libdem coalition. Austerity and the "sensible" backing of the expedient genocides here we come.
They aren't out and out fascists but they are heaving that Overton window to the right, so fascist rhetoric will flourish.
Italy too!
The Netherlands just finished and walked out of this picture. But yeah we now have new discussions in Congress if umvolkung/the great replacement theory is a fact or if it a fascist conspiracy theory. According to the cabinet it's a fact and you can be minister and believe in it. (For example the minister that's decideds about immigration)
Germany too(but its not as bad as in the States yet).
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As an American moving to France soon (work), come on mannnn...
It's never going to be US-insane.
Just regular old fascism.
European fascism was pretty insane.
Oh, no debate there. But it's America, everything is bigger there. Jokes aside, the whole Christian Nationalism is terrifying me.
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Why are the UK on here, were about to vote in a left wing party.
were about to vote in a left wing party
Bahahahahahahaha, omg I needed a good laugh this evening., thanks..
Guy literally purged every halfway leftist in the fucking party, and has spent his entire time as leader, and is aiming his entire election campaign on, pleasing capitalists and maintain the status quo. The man doesn't have a left leaning bone in his spineless self serving body.
Dude literally promised to continue tory policies. He's a fucking Tory in a labour suit.
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Eh, still better than the Tories. Supermajority begins the process of dragging the overton window back left, which I'm all for
Supermajority begins the process of dragging the overton window back left
Literally the opposite.
Normalising the current Labour party as anything even remotely left, which it isn't in any way shape or form, shifts the window to the right by removing actual left from the map altogether. That's the whole point of Starmer - to regain back ground for the right after what Corbyn awoke in the party and country.
We are getting a Tory whoever wins, they just wear different coloured ties.
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Starmer's Labour is about as left wing as the US Democrats are; by comparison only.
I mean, he really isn't. He's far to the left of them.
as i understood he has no intention of reversing the institutional damage from the Tories so he’s effectively supporting those anti welfare policies
He's pledged to set up a nationalised green energy company, increase funding to the NHS, and build 300,000 new homes per year. That seems a fairly decent start.
Issue is the Tories have tanked the economy and cut taxes, so Starmer's got fuck all money without raising taxes (unpopular, even though I think it's the right thing to do). Post election and with a massive amount of political capital to spend, I think we will see tax rises on those that can afford it, to help fix some of the damage.
Not to mention renationalising passenger rail.
I swear some of the people on here only think you can be left wing if you want an 80% wealth tax of millionaires and are going to institute universal basic income.
Starmer is running a balance between left wing and actually getting fucking elected
I swear some of the people on here only think you can be left wing if you want an 80% wealth tax of millionaires and are going to institute universal basic income.
Welcome to Lemmy.
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on 'funding the nhs': his shadow health secretary says he will employ privatisation to reduce NHS waiting lists: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-59910107
incidentally he also accepted £175000 from donors linked to private healthcare and health insurance firms: https://www.thenational.scot/news/24250557.wes-streeting-takes-175k-donors-linked-private-health-firms
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When did the UK get a new major party? Or are you just being wrong and calling the labor party left wing while their policies are just torie light?
Honestly, they are talking about relations allowing the rail - they are left wing. Starmer just happens to be a pragmatist who actually wanted to get elected. You wait and see how much better state the country is in after 5 years under a left end labour government
While privatizing healthcare and continuing anti trans policies. If the only way to be elected in the UK is to really far right shit then that's some societal rot right there.
The UK may even be doing better in 5 years but that would be an insanely low bar, currently the only economically viable area is London and the whole country is being overtaken by fucking Poland economically.
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Are you allowed to leap across the finish line like that?
Edit: guess so?
You're allowed to use any mode of locomotion in a track race, including skipping, crawling, or moonwalking, as long as it's under your own power.
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If only the American public responded like the French public when fascists try to seize power.
By voting them in?
For real, the French Resistance is estimated at like 3% of their people lol
Well, you only need about 3.5 percent: https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190513-it-only-takes-35-of-people-to-change-the-world
We’re corn-fed financial cattle, we can work sleep and handle a dozen crises at once individually; yet we’re unable to see that we share objectives because of team politics and exclusionary grouping. A lack of solidarity because it’s not allowed.
what did France recently do to leap ahead?
Marie Le Pew’s far-right party is gathering more followers for ? reasons?
Macron's party is pulling out of races to give the socialists a better chance of cutting off the nazis.
It could work. We will see.
Don't give them too much credit, everyone's doing it and they were the last to do so too.
Don’t give Macron too much credit here.
He’s the one to blame for the far right’s victory with his same-same language, has he pushed the discourse that the left party is in fact a dangerous antisemitic far left party.
The left party was the first to pull out of races to let macron’s representatives win against the far right, even though it would cost them much more.
Macron is an absolute POS.
Marie Le Pew sounds way too nice for that POS
It’s Marine Le Pen, and her goon Jordan Bardella (who has Algerian origins from his grandmother but ignores that completely and prefers talking about his Italian origins from his grandfather)
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I'm speaking in general terms because I'm not familiar with French politics, I just live in a neighboring country. But are we really surprised that it's moving in that direction? In a general sense, the right will always blossom in climates like these, migrants pouring in from decades of war, prices skyrocketing, the Russia affair further polarizing and instilling fear, a general lack of progress. But more importantly, while the right does its best to cultivate the most basic of emotional responses, the left seems unable to come up with anything attractive let alone exciting. And we can argue that progress and good choices can be utterly dull and unappealing, at some point we will have to realize that good ideas still need to be marketed to the people and that it's not enough to equate anything right-wing with fascism and hope that it will do the heavy lifting. We have become preoccupied with complaining about the right in such a way that we can no longer allow critique of what the left is failing to do. If they can do no good then we can do no wrong.
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The reason being that a single fascist billionaire owns several TV channels, radio stations and newspapers.
Hey - Hey, I’ve seen this one!
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Whatever it was, the US Supreme Court deciding that presidents are immune from prosecution beats it by a very, very long shot.
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