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I was explaining this to my daughter in quite simplified terms the other day- we evolved to taste sugar and enjoy it because finding a sweet edible plant meant we had a source of energy to help us hunt that day. Pretty useful if you're a hunter-gatherer.

So we seek out sugar. Now we can get it whenever we want it, in much more massive quantities than we are supposed to be processing. Most of us are addicted. I'm not an exception.

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[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 18 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

That seems about right for sugar contents for such foods, especially since the yogurts have berries in them. I dont quite get what point is getting made, most fruits and berries have a good bit of sugar in them. There isnt anything inately bad about sugar, maybe when its high fructose corn zyrup but thats kinda its own thing. Also tomatoes are a berry.

Berries like raspberries blackberries blueberries and even strawberries don't have lots of sugar, maybe 5g per 100g. That's one level teaspoon.

The lactose in milk is almost all consumed in the fermentation process, so maybe a few more grams per 100.

The rest of the sugar in those glasses is just sugar manufacturers include to make their product more appealing.

One of the problems with sugar is that it represents empty calories.

Given my age, weight, and activity levels maybe I need x calories per day, any more and I'll gain weight. I also need protein and fibre and micronutrients. As you get older (like me) you get less good at extracting nutrients.

The challenge is, getting enough nutrients in few enough calories to avoid gaining weight.

In this context sugar is just dead weight.

[–] GoofSchmoofer@lemmy.world 7 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

There isnt anything inately bad about sugar

Well in moderation sugar isn't too bad. The problem comes when food manufacturers start adding sugar to foods so it will taste better and if you are not paying attention to the content you can consume a significant amount in a day.

In conclusion, very little scientific evidence exists that indicates a benefit of added dietary sugars; however, an overwhelming and growing body of evidence highlights the negative effects of excessive or prolonged sugar intake

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[–] omsai@reddthat.com 3 points 15 hours ago

The intrinsic sugar in fresh berries with fiber are different than free sugars. Excess sugar is problematic for several reasons, chiefly chronic metabolic and cardiovascular diseases [1]. The more well known among them is insulin resistance. Insulin is an essential hormone for metabolism; without insulin you die (as in the case of type 1 diabetes). The pancreas pumps insulin to get the cells to absorb blood sugar, but if cells don't respond to the insulin properly ("resistant"), the pancreas keep pumping insulin and eventually cannot keep up resulting in high blood sugar that damages your body [2]. That's why one should avoid spiking blood sugar. Like many physiological systems sugar triggers a homeostatic response, so the body "expects" a level of sugar consumption once it gets used to it. This is also why artificial sweeteners are problematic: they don't reduce the dependency on sugar and moreover they disrupt the blood-sugar response whereby you don't get the same satiety from carbohydrates, etc. [3]. But it's not all doom and gloom, exercise increases your insulin sensitivity and reducing your sugar intake will almost always result in weight loss [2]. Reducing sugar intake also reduces your sugar dependency but can take a few months.

  1. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10074550/
  2. Interview with Prof. Jim Mann https://www.foodweneedtotalk.com/episodes/s02e22
  3. Interview with Prof. Jotham Suez https://www.foodweneedtotalk.com/episodes/s4e1
[–] MorrisonMotel6@lemm.ee 66 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Have I lost track of what memes are? Or is it the children who are wrong?

[–] phorq@lemmy.ml 32 points 22 hours ago

Yeah, you've probably grown accustomed to most memes using high fructose corn syrup which is clear and easier to hide.

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[–] Ravi 5 points 16 hours ago

Check out how much sugar they put into frozen pizza. It's basically a sweet.

[–] coffee_with_cream@sh.itjust.works 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Make your own yogurt! It's the best

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I've never done that, but I've made cheese out of yogurt by putting it in cheesecloth and letting all the liquid drain out of it over a day or so. Mix it with some chives and it's amazing on crackers.

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[–] HowManyNimons@lemmy.world 8 points 18 hours ago (11 children)

Is that added sugar, or sugar from the other ingredients?

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago

When you juice it, the natural sugar has the same effect as added sugar.

It's only better when it's locked in with the fruit solids because then it's a slow release rather than a fast sugar shock to your system, which can fuck with your insulin tolerance because that also needs to spike for your body to do anything with all that sugar.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 4 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

It doesn't ultimately matter, but it looks like total sugar. I don't believe fage has added sugar, but it has some left from the milk.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

But it does matter a great deal. The sugars innately in most fruits usually have a low glycemic index, so generally aren't really that bad for you.

So presenting granulated sugar to represent the innate sugars in a tomato is misleading.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 2 points 13 hours ago

Fruits healthfulness is commonly exaggerated. Consuming the fiber in whole fruit along with the sugar is better than just straight sugar, but it's still something that should be moderated. Most fruits have way more sugar than fiber as well. Also that really only applies to whole uncooked fruit, using heat and mashing up fruit removes pretty much any of the benefit from the fiber.

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[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 15 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (2 children)

stares in European

I've heard of one of those brands but have never tried it myself (Chobani) and who impregnated the tomato sauce? 🤨

[–] Deway@lemmy.world 9 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Yoplait is actually French.

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[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 53 points 1 day ago (9 children)

To be fair, if you make pasta sauce from scratch you're going to be using a fair amount of sugar to balance the acidity of your tomatoes, so I don't find pasta sauce a useful demonstration.

But you're still making a good point. Once you start making stuff yourself, you really see what isn't required.

[–] thenextguy@lemmy.world 83 points 1 day ago (8 children)

I have never put any sugar in my from scratch sauce. But that's probably why I don't like jar sauce.

[–] BreadOven@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago (8 children)

You get it from different sources. Breakdown of onions and as someone else mentioned, carrots. Balsamic vinegar has some. There's other sources as well, I'm just blanking on them.

But agreed, I rarely add actual plain sugar to my pasta sauces.

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[–] HowManyNimons@lemmy.world 6 points 18 hours ago

My pasta sauce doesn't have any sugar in it, but it does have tomatoes, browned onions and wine, all of which contain natural sugar.

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 3 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (2 children)

Right, bad healthcare => no pressure to make people' lives healthier. I guess that's why you still don't have a less sugar novement?

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago

There is a bit of a grass roots one, but part of the problem is that it's entirely on the consumption side, as in people deciding to have less sugar. Even proposed legislation solutions involve controlling the consumption side, though at the final product production level.

Which means that sugar producers are still trying to produce the maximum amount of sugar to make the most profit and the lowered demand just ends up driving the price down and makes it more attractive to others to add more sugar. If that lower price is still profitable, then sugar producers can continue full steam ahead.

I've noticed something similar with plastics. Demand is lowered in some areas by legislation (like no plastic straws or single use bags), but plastic is still being produced at volume, so prices go down and other products switch from non-plastic packaging to plastic. I'll call out Betty Crocker homestyle instant mashed potatoes specifically here, that went from a cardboard box containing two paper/metal pouches to a single plastic pouch, which also means it's more of a pain to make only half the package and more likely to create more food waste in addition to plastic waste.

[–] Pandemanium@lemm.ee 2 points 13 hours ago

There's a bit of a sugar replacement movement, which isn't necessarily healthier. Most of the sugar replacements have been linked with stuff like dementia if consumed regularly for a long period. And most of them taste a bit off. The other part of the problem is that when you eat something sweet, your body expects sugar. When it doesn't get the sugar it's expecting, it will feel like you are still hungry even though you just ate something.

[–] socsa@piefed.social 3 points 15 hours ago

Damn and I think my sauce is too sweet if I even add a whole tablespoon.

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