Is this Beehaw? If yes, it is aligned with their moderation policy
this post was submitted on 04 Nov 2024
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This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.
Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.
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I mean, YDI.
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Getting heated means you should always expect moderator action. God knows I do, and I get heated all the time.
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Somehow, 'butthead' feels like more of a violation of civility than 'asshole' would. Like, it feels like you didn't type that out in a blind rage, but stopped, said, "I need to say something insulting but I need to dial it back", and settled on butthead. That's like, premeditated or something. Incivility in the First Degree. TAKE 'IM AWAY, BOYS
There was no heating. The person was getting mad about a small penis joke directed at trump saying he'll never see it. I felt in that context posting that comment with a screenshot of me tweeting the joke to his account would have been seen as the obvious joke it was.
Butthead feels even weirder in that context, tbqh
Explain.
If someone else is mad but you aren't, responding with a deliberately petty insult comes off as needling, not joking.
That's fair.
I mean, a six day temp ban for being a dick? That's what mods are supposed to do, keep assholes from assholing more than the bare minimum. And that's coming from an asshole that has, and probably will again, been banned temp and permanent for being an asshole.
Like, once you start calling names, you're off topic, and disrupting the community. You don't need a warning, you don't need the rules explained, because you didn't care in the first place. If you had, you would have just blocked whatever asshole you were insulting and moved on.
I get it, sometimes you just gotta slap back. It's a human thing.
But when you do, you need a cool down time. A week is just about right for most people to chill the fuck out and get over it. Some take less, some take longer, but a week is just about right.
It's one of those things where if you're being a dick, you take your lumps and that's that. You don't go whining about the moderation.
A mod lets shit slide like that ends up up with entire threads of bullshit to deal with, and all the other users that decided to jump in are now also fucking up the community spreading the drama. So, yeah, you got a temp ban. You should have. If it had been permanent, you'd have something to complain about on a first offense, though imo, it would be justified as well since we're all supposed to be grown ass adults that shouldn't need to be told to play nice. But complaining about it would be justified too.
Now, if the other person was also being an asshole and didn't get a temp ban, that's bullshit.
Given the community, ydi
What if I told you I'm a silly goose. Would that make you forgive me?
and yet my money is on you not learning the lesson.
The lesson being that beehaw is apparently a kindergarten.
Yes, positive vibes only.
Or you get the gat.
Or you get the gat.
Ah, American kindergarten
Kinda... Yes. They are an instance meant to be a somewhat walled garden. You can't make new communities on beehaw, only use the ones they have. They set it up in a very unique way and that's why I vibe with it even though I don't agree with it.
Despite people obviously having hostility toward you for holding this sentiment I agree with you. Beehaw has some very extreme views, and while I admire them for their spirit of moderating against hate speech they do take things way too far.
One example is deciding to defederate Lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works simply to stick it to them, a move which ended up not really working in their favor since they just lost out in those communities, and many of their users (who didn't feel the same extreme way they do) just left.
And they even talk about the Fediverse being non-viable when they went into voluntary exile by their own choice.
So honestly I would generally recommend people stay away from Beehaw, it's just not worth giving them the attention, and one can already find many alternatives to the communities they have there on other instances. Which I can guarantee will be less extreme and childish over matters such as these.
I intend on turning their "their server their rules" comments back on them next time they get banned on lemmy.ml.
Good idea. People are always so eager to stick up for servers with that dumb excuse turning it against them is only fitting. It's such a hypocritical excuse as well because under that logic this community is invalid.
I don't think what Beehaw did quite gets there, but just because it's on character for them doesn't mean it's good or normal. It's still extreme and they should best be avoided because of it.
Fucking great points! Good post!
Thank you very much.
That is indeed what beehaw is! lmao
It's Beehaw, this shouldn't be surprising they've been well known for this type of thing for a while. When I first joined Lemmy.world they immediately decided to defederate from Lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works. I never participated in any communities there before and given what I've heard about them I probably won't in the future, just doesn't seem worth it. They've this type of thing isn't out of character for them, in fact I've actually heard them doing it over less.
Some people really like this reactive style of moderation, whatever floats your boat. I understand that moderation is important and I would never argue otherwise (seriously, I don;t want to hear any strawman arguments about this). I do think though they have a tendency to take things too far sometimes, in some cases they end up alienating their own allies or even their own people. The upshot though is that they tend to be a very isolated community and it is easy to find good alternatives for all the spaces on it elsewhere.
Of course if you do want to keep going there that's fine, but unless you're willing to walk on egg shells (and still expect to have similar experiences anyway every so often), I wouldn't personally recommend it, but that's just my opinion.
I think beehaw do well and did well. They state specifically that they want an instance that is welcoming and they will moderate heavily which is one reason why they defederated from .world I'm not sure if they still do but they did at one point because it was too much to moderate.
Getting banned sucks but it's only 6 days.