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[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 46 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Imaginary numbers always feel wrong

[–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 30 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I never really appreciated them until watching a bunch of 3blue1brown videos. I really wish those had been available when I was still in HS.

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 23 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

After watching a lot of Numberphile and 3B1B videos I said to myself, you know what, I'm going back to college to get a maths degree. I switched at last moment to actuarial sciences when applying, because it's looked like a good professional move and was the best decision on my life.

[–] Klear@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago

After delving into quaternions, complex numbers feel simple and intuitive.

[–] affiliate@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

after you spend enough time with complex numbers, the real numbers start to feel wrong

[–] TeddE@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Can we all at least agree that counting numbers are a joke? Sometimes they start at zero … sometimes they start at one …

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[–] bitcrafter@programming.dev 7 points 3 weeks ago

If you are comfortable with negative numbers, then you are already comfortable with the idea that a number can be tagged with an extra bit of information that represents a rotation. Complex numbers just generalize the choices available to you from 0 degrees and 180 degrees to arbitrary angles.

[–] blackbrook@mander.xyz 45 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You need to add some disclaimer to this diagram like "not to scale"...

[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 56 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's to scale.

Which scale is left as an exercise to the reader.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I really don't think it is.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, 1 and i should be the same size. It’s 1 in the real dimension and 1 in the imaginary dimension creating a 0 but anywhere you see this outside pure math it’s probably a sinusoid

[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 6 points 3 weeks ago

I may not have been entirely serious

[–] puchaczyk@lemmy.blahaj.zone 42 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

This is why a length of a vector on a complex plane is |z|=√(z×z). z is a complex conjugate of z.

[–] randy@lemmy.ca 18 points 3 weeks ago

I've noticed that, if an equation calls for a number squared, they usually really mean a number multiplied by its complex conjugate.

[–] drbluefall@toast.ooo 7 points 3 weeks ago

[ you may want to escape the characters in your comment... ]

[–] ornery_chemist@mander.xyz 34 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Isn't the squaring actually multiplication by the complex conjugate when working in the complex plane? i.e., √((1 - 0 i) (1 + 0 i) + (0 - i) (0 + i)) = √(1 + - i^2^) = √(1 + 1) = √2. I could be totally off base here and could be confusing with something else...

[–] diaphanous 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I think you're thinking of taking the absolute value squared, |z|^2 = z z*

[–] candybrie@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

Considering we're trying to find lengths, shouldn't we be doing absolute value squared?

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[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 29 points 3 weeks ago

It’s just dimensionally shifted. This is not only true, its truth is practical for electrical engineering purposes. Real and imaginary cartesians yay!

[–] owenfromcanada@lemmy.world 25 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

This is pretty much the basis behind all math around electromagnetics (and probably other areas).

[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Would you explain how, for a simpleton?

[–] owenfromcanada@lemmy.world 31 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

The short version is: we use some weird abstractions (i.e., ways of representing complex things) to do math and make sense of things.

The longer version:

Electromagnetic signals are how we transmit data wirelessly. Everything from radio, to wifi, to xrays, to visible light are all made up of electromagnetic signals.

Electromagnetic waves are made up of two components: the electrical part, and the magnetic part. We model them mathematically by multiplying one part (the magnetic part, I think) by the constant i, which is defined as sqrt(-1). These are called "complex numbers", which means there is a "real" part and a "complex" (or "imaginary") part. They are often modeled as the diagram OP posted, in that they operate at "right angles" to each other, and this makes a lot of the math make sense. In reality, the way the waves propegate through the air doesn't look like that exactly, but it's how we do the math.

It's a bit like reading a description of a place, rather than seeing a photograph. Both can give you a mental image that approximates the real thing, but the description is more "abstract" in that the words themselves (i.e., squiggles on a page) don't resemble the real thing.

[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Makes sense, thanks. More of a data transmission than an electrical power thing.

[–] owenfromcanada@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah, it's about how electromagnetic energy travels through space.

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[–] L0rdMathias@sh.itjust.works 23 points 3 weeks ago

Circles are good at math, but what to do if you not have circle shape? Easy, redefine problem until you have numbers that look like the numbers the circle shape uses. Now we can use circle math on and solve problems about non-circles!

[–] diaphanous 3 points 3 weeks ago

Yes, relativity for example!

[–] BorgDrone@lemmy.one 17 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 15 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

That's actually pretty easy. With CB being 0, C and B are the same point. Angle A, then, is 0, and the other two angles are undefined.

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[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 5 points 3 weeks ago

No thank you

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Doesn't this also imply that i == 1 because CB has zero length, forcing AC and AB to be coincident? That sounds like a disproving contradiction to me.

[–] xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I think BAC is supposed to be defined as a right-angle, so that AB²+AC²=CB²

=> AB+1²=0²

=> AB = √-1

=> AB = i

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[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 14 points 3 weeks ago
[–] produnis@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 3 weeks ago

Too complexe for me ;)

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

you are imagining things

[–] I_am_10_squirrels@beehaw.org 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The length would be equal to the absolute value

[–] mariusafa@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 3 weeks ago

What if not a Hilbert space?

[–] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Maiq@lemy.lol 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 4 points 3 weeks ago

Every now and then, I get a little bit lonely and you're never coming 'round

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