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Eating Meat Is Bad for Climate Change, and Here Are All the Studies That Prove It (sentientmedia.org)

submitted 8 months ago by veganpizza69@lemmy.world to c/climate@slrpnk.net

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[–] rimu@piefed.social 1 points 8 months ago

Vegans love to conflate all meat into one big group because their goal is to make veganism look good in comparison.

In reality, beef is the main problem.

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It would be a lot more environmentally effective to convince people to reduce beef consumption and replace it with chicken/pork instead, but vegans aren't interested in that because for them it's not really about the climate - it's about reducing animal suffering and death.

This duplicity muddies the waters and makes getting real actual change that would benefit the climate harder to achieve and less likely to happen.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 months ago

Saving the climate is not going to be done by guilting consumers into changing individual consumption habits. Enough with the green consumerist bullshit that only serve as neoliberal justifications for inaction.

If the meat industry is hurting the planet, REGULATE IT.

[–] ArkimedesWasRight@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Repeat a lie a thousand times, and it becomes the truth. A hundred scientists came together in disapproval of Einstein. His response was, something along the lines of. - why a hundred scientists? If I was wrong, all it would take is one.

[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 0 points 8 months ago

Just an interesting tidbit of history: Einstein wrote he always ate meat with a guilty conscience and agreed with the notion that eating meat is morally wrong. He ate a strict vegetarian diet towards the end of his life.

[–] Haha@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Stop telling me what to do and get the corporations to oblige with laws. Oh wait! No one gives a shit because the corpos are running the world now? Oh no, guess i gotta eat shit to make up for their mistakes :(((

[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 0 points 8 months ago

Agree that corporations should freel the hammer more often.

Disagree with the notion that vegan food is "shit".

The overwhelming mass of all ingredients you can cook with is plant based. Sadly, many people have no idea how to cook great food. It's not hard to learn, it is much less cruel for animals, it is good for the environment, you have more control over your food, ...

Learning to cook great vegan dishes is an amazing experience that additionally leads to a more healthy life for many people and takes away power from big cooperations.

[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

The biggest deterrent for me ever switching to being a vegetarian/vegan is…

Well, vegans.

If they weren’t so god-awful arrogant, I’d consider it, but I would never want anyone to associate me with that type of behavior. And there’s been several times where I was prepared to make the switch. In the end, the consideration of of being linked to such a hateful culture was just too much.

I’d imagine a lot of people feel the same way about Christianity- and if I were more clever then I am, if probable be able to spot the irony in this.

[–] theonyltruemupf@feddit.de 0 points 8 months ago

In my experience, it's mostly the other way around. Vegans are just existing and "radical" omnivores feel threatened by that, feel the need to defend themselves and make situations awkward. I am not strictly vegan but I mostly chose to eat vegan if it's available. I just order something without animal products and people immediately try to start a discussion. If I don't engage in it, they are unhappy. If I do engage in it, they are even more unhappy.

[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

ITT people do all sorts of gymnastics instead of saying "I know but I just don't care enough"

Just be honest with yourself, if the emissions, pollution, land useage, and staggering cruelty don't bother you more than the 15 minutes of pleasure you get from a Burger pleases you just say it.

If it does, and you feel the need to defend yourself because of it just change. I promise you it's less difficult than you think and there are millions of people waiting to help you learn new delicious and nutritious methods of preparing food. Remember basically all vegans were raised carnist and most of us are complete garbage fires (as the internet so loves to point out (-; ) I promise you that you can do it and you won't even really miss meat after a few months.

[–] bouh@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

And some people will point at people individual choices rather than the corporations and states who promoted this lifestyle.

What pisses me the most about ecologists nowadays is how liberals they are. If you want to feel good about yourself, feel free, but don't pretend all people are responsible for climate change by themselves because they're eating meat.

[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Systems can be broken and incentivise poor behaviour while individual actions also make a difference.

Besides, where will your political change come from? people who wont even change their diet? Just like how all those environmental protections were brought into being by people who criticised the people chaining themselves to trees for thinking individual actions mattered?

The meat industry is terrified of vegans, they spend millions rewriting laws and producing propaganda to limit us. maybe they have reasons why.

[–] bouh@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The industry loves vegans. It is an extremely profitable industry because those people are wealthier than average and already fanatised for their products. You're a fool if you think you're fighting the industry. You merely fight one industry for the benefit of another one.

The meat industry is fine. The terrified ones are the stupid conservative. But are they stupid or terrified? They're merely using the vegan propaganda against them.

And oh boy is it easy to do! Vegans are already full fanatics about their ideology. It's a full blown religion at this point : either you are vegan or a heretic causing the end of the world. If you're not vegan, you are personally responsible for the climate change. Isn't this the point of this article?

Conservative have nothing to do to make propaganda against this. Ecologists are as fascists as the fascists themselves, but in a green color.

[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

You do not need a single vegan fake meat alternative to make vegan dishes. Eating vegan food gives corporations less power. While the animal product industry is one of the most capitalist drivers of cruelty and environment issues we have.

You really should read up on cognitive dissonance. And also educate yourself on what fascism is.