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[–] iso@lemy.lol 85 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Huge!

Ensuring that Unable To Decrypt (UTD) bugs never happen. Huge amounts of work has gone into this over the course of the year, especially via complement-crypto as a comprehensive end-to-end-test suite for both matrix-rust-sdk and matrix-js-sdk based Matrix clients. We are finally at the point where UTDs are so rare that most people simply never see them.

[–] Blaze 6 points 2 weeks ago
[–] secret300@lemmy.sdf.org 42 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

All I need is a client that looks and feels like discord to replicate voice channels and I will switch to matrix and host my own instance

[–] kate@lemmy.uhhoh.com 27 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 weeks ago

I really like their permissions system

[–] secret300@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 2 weeks ago

This looks so nice and very promising. You've raised my hopes

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 9 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Yep, need a fork of revolt that uses Matrix 2.0 as a backend and I can get my friends to switch

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[–] theorangeninja@lemmy.today 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It's not exactly like discord but cinny looks nice imo

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

why do you want terrible ui

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[–] derin@lemmy.beru.co 35 points 2 weeks ago

I'm very excited for this! Granted, I do wish they'd stop "announcing" Matrix 2.0, but I think the release of SSS alone is reason enough for celebration.

I have sync issues with even Slack or WhatsApp when I use an old device that hasn't updated in a while - Matrix's new sync scheme is genuinely fantastic and fixes all the issues my aging synapse server was having (4+ year server means those initial syncs on log-in could tak upwards of 10 minutes).

Now I just want Element Call to work with my pre-existing accounts and then I'll be ready for the next Matrix 2.0 announcement 😂

[–] autonomoususer@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 26 points 2 weeks ago

That's up to clients to implement, not part of the protocol.

But yeah its kinda dumb its not a thing in element

[–] shadeless@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That would be huge and would make me and my friends switch from mumble/discord to matrix. However, i fear that high latency may be an issue.

[–] anytimesoon@feddit.uk 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What's push to talk and why is it such a great feature?

[–] bishbosh@lemm.ee 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's for voice, so that your mic is only active when you press an activation button. It's how most PC games do it, and I would say it's how most folks on PC use voice. It's honestly a pretty basic feature, and super frustrating that it seems not to be a priority.

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[–] Kalkaline@leminal.space 13 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I'd use Matrix but the last time I jumped on all the chats were dead and the ones I had joined had all been spammed with CSAM.

[–] derin@lemmy.beru.co 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Might need to find more active communities?

The spam thing is annoying, but is a result of anyone being able to join a room and just upload images.

Really wish the large rooms would just disable image uploads, or use a bot to police new users a bit.

[–] suzune@ani.social 17 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I'm pretty much since the beginning on Matrix. I have never experienced any questionable content. Large chats (thousands of users) have some spam problems, but the spammers banned quickly and the posts are being removed.

What am I doing right?

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Not joining the rooms Element suggests on its own client? Element will show you a list of suggested, popular rooms to join, and a fuckton of these are overrun by spammers and worse. If Matrix has basically zero ability to curate these rooms outside of "here's what's got the most members", then it absolutely should not in any capacity be recommending them, let alone as a way to get started for new users. It's fucking ridiculous, and before you say "Well why should they be expected to curate the rooms they suggest?", imagine the fucking disaster Discord would have on its hands if it started recommending servers, and several of its top 100 claimed to be related to popular FOSS applications but were actually completely unmoderated and filled with CSAM and Bitcoin scams.

[–] example@reddthat.com 2 points 2 weeks ago

just this week I've had multiple random matrix accounts start a chat with me to post an Imgur link with some Hitler bs. I assume they just chose random members of one or more fediverse related public matrix rooms to send that to. they probably just do this with random public rooms and the fediverse relation didn't matter.

[–] halm@leminal.space 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah, "Matrix as IRC" with general interest rooms is an unmonitored cesspool. "Matrix as IM" for staying in touch with mates is doing just fine.

[–] asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

But then what's the benefit to Signal? Just that it's decentralized?

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Decentralization actually can be really powerful to give you a backup even if you prefer Signal; Signal's servers very infrequently go down, but when they do, you entirely lose that channel for an unpredictable amount of time.

[–] asap@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

You can't know with certainty on Signal that the client and the server are actually keeping your messages encrypted at rest, you have to trust them.

With Matrix, if you self host, you are the one in control.

[–] asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Isn't Signal E2E encrypted? How would it be able to decrypt them?

[–] mox@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

You can’t know with certainty on Signal that the client and the server are actually keeping your messages encrypted at rest, you have to trust them.

This is untrue. By design, messages are never decrypted on servers when end-to-end encryption is in use. They would have to break the encryption first, because they don't have the keys.

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[–] halm@leminal.space 1 points 2 weeks ago

That is certainly an improvement over Signal, yeah.

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[–] TechnicallyColors@lemm.ee 14 points 2 weeks ago

Wow you weren't kidding lol. I watched the 2.0 demo and at this timestamp there's a CSAM-related room title that Matthew was invited to (at the top of the right window). Granted it's probably someone stream-sniping, but it goes to show that there's apparently active bad actors trying to interfere.

[–] Nexy@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm ignorant about matrix, what is better in matrix than xmpp?

[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

In XMPP, e2e encryption (just like everything else) is an optional extension. So in practice half the clients don't support e2ee, half support different version of e2ee (can't talk to each other) and pretty much all e2ee are likely full of holes since there are too many implementations to review.

In Matrix, e2ee is in a library that all clients can use, so while it is not Signal, it provides decent security.

[–] Mwa@lemm.ee 5 points 2 weeks ago

Best chatting app

[–] llama@lemm.ee 2 points 2 weeks ago

The Matrix Reloaded

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