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How one become a caffeine addict? (lemmy.ca)

submitted 5 days ago by kionite231@lemmy.ca to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world

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seriously! like how do you become addicted to coffee, I drink it regularly but I can't say I am caffeine addict or something. how one become a caffeine addict?

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[–] all-knight-party@fedia.io 4 points 5 days ago (5 children)

I don't like the taste of coffee, so I drink energy drinks. Energy drinks often have much more caffeine than a cup of coffee. for example, I drink Alani brand, they have a whopping 200(!) mg of caffeine per can.

When I drank one every day of the week at work, I then wouldn't drink any on the weekend because it didn't matter if I had energy. By Sunday I would have a day long caffeine headache and it was awful, but I refused to drink an energy drink JUST to stave off the headache because it made me feel like a junkie lol.

Instead, I now drink one every other day of the week, and I don't have headaches. That is how I chemically (not psychologically) became addicted to caffeine.

[–] astrsk@fedia.io 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

200mg, but how big is the can? Coffee (brewed, but especially espresso) has a much higher amount of caffeine per ounce of liquid in almost all cases. https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/caffeine/art-20049372

[–] all-knight-party@fedia.io 1 points 5 days ago

It's about the size of a red bull, smaller than a Monster.

Edit: 12 fl oz, just checked a can

[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

A black venti coffee from Starbucks has almost 450mg of caffeine. 200mg probably isn't "whopping (!)"-worthy.

I have a co-worker that drinks a pot of coffee at work each day by himself. That's about 1,200mg of caffeine, and he has a cup in the morning before he gets to work, so he's probably having about 1,500mg/day. Admittedly that's on the high side.

800mg of caffeine from black coffee per day is actually shown to be good for you. Reduced risk of alzheimer's, type 2 diabetes, certain cancers, and Parkinson's. Reduces inflammation. Lowered rates of liver cirrhosis and liver cancer.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Starbucks notoriously has higher than average caffeine content.

[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

With energy drinks you get the fun double whammy addiction of both caffeine and sugar!

[–] all-knight-party@fedia.io 1 points 5 days ago

That's actually why I drink Alani, it has no sugar, but tastes amazing. There's this whole new wave of energy drinks that don't use sugar, such as Alani, Ghost, and Bang. I'm not sure what they use for sweeteners instead, maybe something also bad, but it's an energy drink, I'm not gonna pretend I'm a saint to my body

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[–] ZetaLightning94@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

For some people, there is no addiction. I would swap between coffee and tea for my morning drink, but it was never an energy boost, just a warm drink for the winter months. Aside from that caffeine has no effect. I stopped drinking both cold turkey in an attempt to cut back on my sugar consumption and had no withdrawals.

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[–] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win -2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (6 children)

You don't get 'addicted' to caffeine. If you consume it daily your body will adjust to the new baselines and discontinuing will have symptoms (headache for a day, tired, etc...), but it is not a clinical addiction.

Edit: caffeine does not have a "Substance Use Disorder", merely a "Withdrawal Syndrome" (DSM-V pg. 482)

[–] conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

That's simply not true.

Ignoring that the habit formation is the most effective mechanism towards long term dependence and why rehab/treatment from people who genuinely want to stop often "doesn't take", caffeine also causes physical dependence, with meaningful withdrawal symptoms.

[–] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win -1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

No, it is not physical dependence. It is acclimation. A habit is not addiction.

Someone drinking coffee daily for years could stop cold turkey for a day, drink some water and take 2 doses of aspiring throughout that day and actually reduce their coffee consumption once resuming without realizing it due to increased efficacy returning to baseline. The person would go through that day normally despite the predicable headache from blood vessel dilation.

A cigarette smoker going cold turkey for a day does NOT have that experience. After the first hour or so every minute of the day would be thinking about needing a cig, and depending on the severity of their addiction could experience serious life-threatening withdrawal symptoms.

[Addicts] Anonymous meetings serve coffee and tea because it is not addictive. It never ceases to amaze me how insistent people are to defend this mistaken idea that caffeine is addictive and yet we'll let teens drink it without restriction, and serve it to actual addicts.

Here's an idea, if you genuinely believe caffeine is addictive start lobbying to set age limits to consumption, or protesting in front of Starbucks.

[–] conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You very clearly have no knowledge of what the research on addiction says, because this is all complete and utter bullshit.

If physical dependence was the primary issue with addiction, weaning would work. Shockingly, it doesn't.

Cravings aren't physical withdrawal. They're caused by your brain expecting a different balance of neurotransmitters than it receives. Your body also adapts in other ways to drugs to prevent them from killing you as you increase your dosage, but the entire reason you increase your dosage is because the prefrontal cortex is "designed" to decrease the stimulation of the same behavior as the habit is learned, and the goal of hard drugs (again, along with other thrill seeking behavior, and gambling) is to chase that high stimulation. That loop is why you constantly need more, and it's the habit formation of that loop that defines addiction.

This is all very basic, well understood stuff. The actual low level details are hard to pin down, but the fact that addiction is habit formation caused by neurotransmitter fuckery isn't something that's debated by anyone relevant.

[–] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win -2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (18 children)

So well understood caffeine isn't in the list of compounds forming addictions. You're the ignorant one trying to equate a habit with addiction. I look forward to seeing you protesting in front of Starbucks and getting laughed at.

habit formation of that loop that defines addiction.

No, it's the negative impact on lifestyle that defines addiction actually, but you can get addicted before even having formed a habit. Smoke a couple cigarettes the first day and you'll have withdrawal the next. A couple hard drugs literally get you hooked first try.

Seriously, stop polluting this community with your ignorance.

[–] conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Why would I advocate banning an addictive substance exactly?

I don't support hard drugs being criminalized.

[–] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win 1 points 5 days ago

So you support freely dispensing addictive substances to kids? Because there's nothing stopping kids from buying coffee from Starbucks.

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