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“All they are trying to do is convince us that there is some kind of movement toward where we want,” Siblani said. “But it’s too slow and it’s dragging. It’s more death and casualties that are happening.”

The highest-profile example of the stonewalling came last week when a Palestinian American doctor walked out of a meeting with Biden. But interviews with Muslim and Arab American leaders reveal how that face-to-face protest was only the most conspicuous case of a fracture that has damaged crucial relationships and closed avenues needed to repair them.

But the situation presents a challenge for a president who believes in the political power of personal relationships and has prized his history of sitting down with opponents and critics. It could also jeopardize his reelection this year, with some Muslims warning they are unwilling to support Biden even it that risks returning Donald Trump, the presumptive Republican nominee, to the White House.

Salam Al-Marayati, who lives in Los Angeles and leads the Muslim Public Affairs Council, described the attitude as, “Forget them. They have to learn a lesson. And if they lose, that’s the lesson they should learn.”

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[–] spyd3r@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Maybe they should start sharing some words with Hamas about releasing the hostages and surrendering so that the war can end.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

Israel has said they will continue their Genocide if Hamas releases the hostages.

[–] Tamoato@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If you're an American it seems like your choices really are between Biden and his slow genocide or Trump with his quick one.

It doesn't seem like you can really rely on your political leaders to help resolve this conflict in a way that doesn't lead to more suffering and death, only the pace at which it happens. If those are the only two options, I don't blame Muslim and Arab Americans for giving up on Biden.

I think it would just be more honest to acknowledge there's no real support amongst any American political leadership to minimise the suffering of either the Palestinian or Israeli people.

[–] Jamil@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What suffering of the Israelis? They're partying and listening to shitty techno music and getting showered in free American money and weapons.

Palestinians are living in tents and starving. They'd love to be subjected to America's treatment of Israel.

[–] Tamoato@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Both Palestinians and Israelis see each other as existential threats. Ignoring this basic reality means there will always be conflict in the region.

Palestinians are suffering en masse right now, I don't think anyone reasonable is denying that.

But what do you think happens if the underlying, justifiable, fear that they each have of the isn't addressed? There will be more massacres and more war, and like in every war, innocent people will pay the price.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Israelis massive victim complex juxtaposed with then acting like Nazi's doesn't somehow make both sides equal.

[–] Tamoato@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So what do you propose to stop Israeli aggression towards Palestine?

The next time their music festivals get attacked and people kidnapped they should just be ok with it?

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

This is reversing cause and effect.

Israel is currently massively terrorizing the West Bank. They have recently committed the largest land theft there in decades expanding their Lebensraum for their Ubermensch.

Somehow this doesn't matter. Somehow whatever israel does to other people is entirely irrelevant until they fight back. That is where the conflict must start. Not at the 20 year long brutal occupation and regular terror bombing of Gaza by israel.

We can expect Palestinians in the West Bank to start resisting against israels brutal Nazi regime as well. And then you can post more about music festivals (forget the 33% military kills btw)

Or we can tell israel to stop doing Nazi shit right now so those oppressed people in the West Bank don't have a reason to fight back.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

Nice to see some people don't support Genocide. If only more people had those moral standards a third party would win. Too bad libs will excuse Genocide for their God Emperor Joe Biden.

[–] yeather@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I just hope they vote third party. No reason to support either candidate.

[–] xhieron@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

"Take that, face!" says man cutting off own nose.

[–] TrippyFocus@lemmy.ml 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

The nose is getting cut off by either candidate in this situation. Biden has pulled strings we all wish would’ve been pulled for something like saving the student debt foregivness but instead he did it to continue supplying and funding a genocide.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's a good thing the Donald Trump who moved the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem totally wouldn't support Israeli genocide, isn't it?

[–] TrippyFocus@lemmy.ml 0 points 5 months ago

Clearly Donald trump wont be any better and that clearly wasn’t my point. To people who are trying to stop this genocide going “The other guys isn’t going to be any better” instead of also trying to stop the genocide isn’t going to convince them to come to your side.

[–] conquer4@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Trump will do it so much better then, he'll tell the Israelis to finish what they started and give them more kaboom.

[–] TrippyFocus@lemmy.ml 0 points 5 months ago

How about we focus on stopping genocide. If you live outside the ~5 states that decide the election then you should be voting for a third party.

[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

some Muslims warning they are unwilling to support Biden even it that risks returning Donald Trump

Yep, these people are fucking morons.

[–] boyi@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

it's not a kind of cut off one's nose to spite one's face fucking morons. If they don't do that, they'll be played around over and over again. If they'll do that, it will be a lesson not to trivialise their importance. When Trump is back it can be worse but now the sentiment around the world is changing, which can help to control Trump which which will deem him to be at the same level with Bibi which will leave him isolated, which is good. So, it's not moronic but a rather calculated risk.

[–] yetAnotherUser@feddit.de 0 points 5 months ago

Yeah sure, Trump will surely be controlled

Just like Franz von Papen ensured Hitler could be easily controlled once Hitler was in a position of power:

"In two months, we will have pushed Hitler so far into a corner, he squeaks!"

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