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[–] stanka@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago

Rental income is considered income, and taxed assuming reasonable tax brackets much higher than investment income (That is to say, caiptal-gains. Interest/Dividends are also taxed at the higher income rate)

The cost of maintaining a livable home, property taxes, insurance, property depreciation, and renter interactions eat into the supposed windfall that landlords make.

I'm not saying it doesn't suck sometimes and that certainly these formulas are out of whack in some situations, but there are no easy answers.

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'd much rather rent than own! It gives me a lot more freedom to move, i have less at risk and no stress that something might need fixing.

Stop being so obsessed about owning! In the end you won't take any of it to the grave anyway

[–] Killing_Spark@feddit.de 0 points 4 months ago

It's fine to prefer renting, it does have benefits. But it should be a choice.

[–] cumskin_genocide@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You'd have to get rid of the concept of private property and that isn't going anywhere. Same with landlords.

You're not going to vote this out of the system.

[–] Killing_Spark@feddit.de 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That's the same argument people made when we abolished slavery. "But if you do that property as a concept will vanish". No. No it won't.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Did people vote slavery out?

[–] Killing_Spark@feddit.de 0 points 4 months ago

In the USA that's a complicated topic. If you look at how it played out in England and France, yes. Slave owners were compensated for their "losses" after heated debates in parliaments

[–] Subverb@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Have you ever tried it? It's more work than you think.

[–] Killing_Spark@feddit.de 0 points 4 months ago

But it's work that only exists because the landlord decided to extort money from their tenants. No one said the life of a parasite is always easy.

[–] nucleative@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Set some limits. Each person can own one primary residence and x number of secondary dwellings. Each additional dwelling is taxed at a higher rate than the one before.

People can still buy themselves a house and maybe another couple houses or condos for their family or investment.

But big landlords can't profitably buy up neighborhoods then crank up the rent. Or perhaps they can own them, but they're required to be non-profits and expenses and rents are highly controlled relative to income in the area.

It's a tough problem to solve though... Huge apartment buildings do have economies of scale that permit high density living.

And property owners who don't sell or develop their land at all because there's not enough incentive are a big problem in other parts of the world.

[–] Kacarott@feddit.de 0 points 4 months ago

I really like the idea to tax each house successively more. And the money made from these taxes could specifically go to the government buying houses and turning them into social housing, or perhaps providing big discounts for first home buyers.

[–] Thrashy@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Folks, there's a difference between a slumlord and a decent landlord. I've owned a house for ten years now, and in addition to the mortgage and taxes and insurance I pay every month for the privelege, I've had to spend tens of thousands replacing the roof and doing other regular maintenance tasks. I'm actually about to dump thirty percent of the original purchase price into more deferred repairs and maintenance to get it back to a point where all the finished space is habitable again. Owning a house is expensive in ways that I did not fully understand until I bought mine, and decent property managers are taking care of all that for you, and if that's not a job I honestly don't know what is.

Slumlords and corporate landlords can fuck right the hell off, though.

[–] GreenTacklebox@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

There is no such thing as a decent landlord.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de -1 points 4 months ago (4 children)

What do families do, that only want or need to live in a place or area for like a year or so? Buy a house, pay thousands in closing costs and inspections, lose several thousand to realtors, and then have to go through the trouble of trying to sell the place a year later?

We very much need landlords. What's screwing everything up is corpos doing it as a business or individuals with like 20 homes instead of one or two. Renting a house is a viable need for some people and it would actually suck if it was an option that didn't exist at all.

[–] Urist@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The only reason costs of houses are so high in the first place is because they are lucrative investment objects, along with the fact that the most important part of city (and rural) planning, building homes, is largely left to private companies. You are assuming houses would be just as inaffordable without landlords, which is a problem of the current paradigm and not the one proposed.

[–] dojan@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

A couple of years ago, my boss' father (who founded the company and still worked there on and off) and I had a chat over lunch. I'm not sure how the topic of house prices came up, but he mentioned that when he and his wife bought their house, a car cost more than a house, so you knew that someone was really well off if they had two cars in the driveway.

I think that's the first time I've actually gotten my mind blown. The idea that a car could cost more than a house just didn't compute, and it still doesn't quite sit with me.

[–] Urist@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Of course, the general standard of houses decline the further back in time you go, but houses were a lot cheaper back in the days. Below is a figure of housing prices in Norway relative to wages at the time (mirroring the situation almost everywhere in the west):

Factoring in the increased production capabilities over the same period of time, the construction cost of houses are not that much higher. If we designed our communities better and had a better system for utilizing the increased labour power, we could have much more affordable housing and more beautiful and well functioning societies.

Do not let it sit right with you. This future was stolen from you.

[–] Specal@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

There's no reason that local governments can't do this job, there's no need for middle men leaching money.

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

But you could replace just about any product with that statement.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Now, you’re getting it…

[–] jkrtn@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago

I don't want this government running any new services until we remove the utterly fucked voting system.

While I'm writing a fantasy novel, let's also get rid of all forms of gerrymandering. Including giving two senators to both California and Wyoming. You know what, no more Senate at all. The entirety of congress is proportional representation with more representatives than 1 per 600,000 citizens.

[–] Drewelite@lemmynsfw.com 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I love the theory of a really effective government that can produce things that are consistently better than private corporations. But that's just never been my experience. In fact, it feels like the bigger a government gets the worst it operates. So how would you imagine a government that produces all the products and services for a society better than a free market?

[–] JimmyMcGill@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Just look at most developed countries in Europe and you will find government operated services that are much better than what the free market came up with the in the US. Namely health services and transportation for instance. Postal services as well.

I just did a week long trip in the USA and all the National Parks were a joy to visit. I actually thought about and commented that it would be a totally different experience, read worse, if those things were privatized.

Honestly the whole argument that private entities are run better is bullshit. There’s nothing stopping any government from hiring the same managers and you just eliminated a certain % that would be the middle men. And now the main objective isn’t profit at all costs, so it will very easily be a better service for us, the consumers.

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Some of the biggest law breakers and abusive landlords are independent landlords. They're also the ones who don't seem to realize that being a landlord is a full time job where you are the handy man, maintenance, property manager, etc. It's not just collecting a cheque every month, you actually have to earn it.

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

But OP just said it's not a job in the meme. Which is it?

[–] Drewelite@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 4 months ago

Yeah managing and up keeping properties. Dealing with taxes, zoning, and potentially HOA. Mitigating liabilities and complaints. Landlord is absolutely a job.

I've known a couple people who have inherited property that already had tenants and were excited for the extra income. I think both of them sold the property within 3 years because it was a nightmare to manage.

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

I'm not op, and the thing is that 99% of independent landlords don't do shit. I was a model tenant at my last place and I'm a handy man by trade so I would actually do every minor repair in my apartment, I would keep that place tip top and never bothered the landlord. He still thought I was a shit tenant and kicked me out as soon as he could because he wanted to charge more for the place.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 4 months ago

Not really. I don't have to fix things on a monthly basis at my own house. When my parents rented the landlord would have to do something maybe twice a year.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The problem is that these socalled "viable needs" are treated as and acted upon like they are elective priviledges by charging exhorbitant prices for the properties that are being made available. Blaming the market for it is just passing the buck and not owning up to your own choices in what you charge. I get that the 'market' has some effect on your rates but making it the main driver for your price that reflects the cost of the entire mortgage on the property is what makes you look like a parasite. If you and your tenants shared the cost of a mortgage in a more equitable fashion, i bet there would be fewer complaints.

[–] RedditEnjoyer@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago

Landphobia on my Lemmy? It's more likely than you think.