Why are millennials killing genocide?
this post was submitted on 22 Nov 2023
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Nobody wants to 'cide anymore
Because of avocado toast
That's not what centrism means. It's not an immediate compromise between the two. It's acknowledging that not every single stance held by a political party is the correct one.
I can support background checks and other limitations on firearm purchases, and also not want open borders. We should be doing something about the excess of gun violence, and we should be doing something about the thousands of immigrants jumping our border.
This is insanely reductionist lol
Tbf, most memes are. It's why they're memes.
Some might say it's their defining characteristic.
i've never seen centrism so badly misunderstood.
Please enlighten us.
I'll bite. Most of what I see here in this thread against Centrism or Independents is bad strawman arguments consisting of: “There are three types of people: reasonable people who agree with me, crazy fascists, and lily-livered wimps who can’t pick a side (and are also fascists)!”
If someone says that they are “centrist” they are not telling you that they base all of their opinions on being dead center in the middle of any two positions. That would be stupid.
They are telling you that they agree with neither major party on everything, and find that both parties have views that they don’t agree with. It’s pretty easy to come to that conclusion because the US two-party system packs in an almost incoherent mishmash of beliefs into exactly two sides.
There is absolutely no contradiction in being for police reform, and against riots lasting for days. There is no contradiction in being for gun rights, while also wanting massive limits on them. There is no contradiction in wanting functional government services and universal healthcare, and thinking that free markets are effective to an extent. There is no contradiction in wanting a more balanced budget, and government services to be funded properly.
The idea that there are only two (or maybe 2.5 depending on where you live) sides in politics is a strange delusion created by your two party system.
The reason the meme creator is running into situations like this is because they don’t witness the Centrist also vehemently argue with right-wing policies frequently.
They only see them argue with them and therefore have a skewed view of Centrists / Independents and their politics. If you are left wing, and argue for left-wing policies in every case, that means you will also be argued with by somebody who believes political nuance and not just waving a party flag.
Remember, the right wing also shits on centrists because they think they are secretly left-wing since they argue with their stupider points as well.
So no, these people are not secretly right-wing and just don’t have the balls to say it. That is a horrendous take no matter where you fall on the political spectrum and only serves to limit conversation.
Now you go.
You people make up such fantasies in your head. This is far from the common trail of thought.
Echo chambers and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race
Surprisingly, simply saying "EcHo ChAmBeR!!1!" without counter arguments has not fixed the problem.
I'm as shocked as you are.
Rightwingers aren't people
Point proven
Indeed, the point that rightwing scum should be hounded up and left in a deserted island is brilliantly made by rightwingers themselves.
What kind of drugs are you on?
Bro/Sis this is what is happening in the debate about refugees in Germany right now so no, actually you are wrong
Well, back when Steinmeier was our foreign minister and toured poor countries to advertise Germany as the land of opportunity and wealth because corporations wanted slaves they don't have to pay properly, I was called a Nazi by many for saying that they won't find any opportunity or wealth in Germany. Our government never had the well-being of immigrants in mind, they just stuffed them into dilapidated "refugee camps", told them their education is insufficient and left them to rot. I am not surprised.
Any relevant links? I tried to google it, but it seems to me that the debate is about funding them - not about killing them.
Which centrists actually support any amount of genocide?
Plenty of centrist liberals support Israel's "war against Hamas". US president Joe Biden and the Democratic party for example.
that has nothing to do with the ideology of centrism itself and would be ridiculous to even pretend so.
it has to do with the complexity of the situation, and more specifically for everyone supporting Israel, having to do with maintaining country relations moreso than the edit: humanist ideals unfortunately.
Right: These people who don't share my opinion need to be genocided!
Left: No! THESE people who don't share MY opinion need to be genocided!
Centre: Could... Could we, like... Not have a crisis on our hands FOR FIVE FUCKING SECONDS!?
I really want to know where you get the idea that the left wants genocide, especially over a difference of opinion. It's so antithetical to my values that it's downright funny.
Muricans be like: let's make centrists look bad by using strawman arguments.
Also muricans: yeah only voting for shit or shit lite® definitively isn't a problem and voting 3rd party is throwing away my vote
i hate to break it to you, but there are a lot of leftists that are very comfortable with genocide.
Extremists be like "You're either with me or against me!"
I'm an extremist when the issue is "should we do a genocide".
On the "no" side, to be clear. I will indeed not accept any answer other than that one.
Is that such a wrong position to have when the questions are as starkly "respect human rights or don't respect human rights" as most issues are in today's conversation? This isn't a discussion on the minutia of how much money should be allocated to transit subsidy, this is "should the queers be allowed to exist?" and "should women have rights?" and "do parents have the right to ruin their child's life just because they're the parent?"
If you really think there's a middle ground there, either you're a fucking idiot, or you actually don't and you're just trying to pretend you do because you know your actual answer is morally indefensible unless you ascribe to a world view that has no business being respected in a democratic rights respecting society.
The actual version:
Right: "let's do genocide."
Left: "let's do genocide, but we'll call it Anti-genocide, Anti-facist movement."
Center: "Uh, guys, I think the left is also doing genocide."
Leftists: "what are you, and idiot?? They've named the movement Anti-genocide, it literally can't be genocide. You're just a rightoid."
Wich Anti-genocide, Anti-facist movenent is performing a genocide?
China is notionally both and what they're doing in Xinjang is at least genocide adjacent. Russia justifies their war on Ukraine as a struggle against genocidal fascists and again, it really seems like they want to destroy Ukraine as a separate culture and people by assimilation and extermination.
Both countries are frequently defended by left wingers
Of course there are idiots who defend China or Russia and call themself left. That doesn't mean that China or Russia are left. China has a weird form of state-capitalism and Russia is a facist oligarchy. They are not left, they are right extremists.
China is ruled by a communist party and position themselves as allies to left-wing governments around the world. They are clearly and explicitly left-wing.
Russia isn't left-wing, but they use they are acting like fascist and committing genocide-adjacent acts in the name of anti-genocidal anti-fascism, the rhetoric that the original commenter parodied
You do the same failure as many other people. To call yourself left or right doesn't make you left or right. Even the german nazi party NSDAP called thereselfs nationalSOZIALISTISCHE ARBEITERpartei Deutschlands and there some idiots who believe nazis are left. Of course there are not.
China isn't a left country cause they doesn't act like a left country. They have a system called state capitalism, they discriminate minorities and they cause inequality. All this is the opposite of left (the only clearly defined factor of left is the believe that every person is borned equal).
And russia claims that they fight against facists and is nevertheless facist itself, while their enemys are not. People, partys and even states can lie. Thats an improtant lesson.
Interesting how everyone seems to think this tweet from 2018 seems to refer to th situation in Gaza in 2023.
Right?! When I posted it, I was making a statement about enlightened centrism and not even thinking about the Gaza situation. Instead of genocide you can insert any morally abhorrent thing that should not be tolerated. But I get why people think it's related, it's on everyone's mind. Thank you for noticing though.
I mean, it's not like we haven't seen this kind of discussion in regards to Gaza.
The knee-jerk reactions in this threat are quite telling.
To be fair, the situation in Gaza isn't new and was probably the same in 2018
Sure but by that logic anything anybody ever said during my entire lifetime could be a reference to Gaza.
Centrist is picking and choosing from each side, not doing a little of everything.
the dogshit stupid takes i see in this community are just proving that nobody here has actually ever encountered a centrist
please do tell me about your mythical centrist
This comment does not inspire confidence in your willingness to actually read it.
I'm also picking and choosing from each side, which is why I'm a leftist. Does that make me a centrist?
You literally cannot do some genocide.
That’s the point of this tweet
Right: Let's cut off our Dicks.
Left: Let's not cut off our Dicks.
Center: Guys, your going to have to compromise, let's just do some dick cutting.
Right: I guess I can live with that for now.
Left: No.
Center: See, this is why no one likes the left, you guys are the real extremists, smh