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[–] IsoSpandy@lemm.ee 14 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

I don't get the ai hate sentiment. In fact I want ai to be so good that it steals all our jobs. Every single "worker" on the planet. The only job I don't think they can steal is that of middle management because I don't think we have digitized data on how to suck your own dick. After everybody is jobless, then we would be free. We won't need the rich. They can be made into a fine broth.

Sarcasm aside, I really believe we should automate all menial jobs, crunch more data and make this world a better place, not steal creative content made by humans and make second rate copies.

[–] nightwatch_admin@feddit.nl 3 points 2 hours ago

Had me in the first half, not gonna lie

[–] Sas@beehaw.org 7 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

The problem is that it will be the rich that are the owners of the AI that stole your job so suddenly we peasants are no longer needed. We won't be free, we will be broth.

[–] IsoSpandy@lemm.ee 2 points 3 hours ago

Well you see 100 people won't be able to make soup of trillions. But you know what we a trillion people can do? Run the guillotine for a 100 times

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 5 hours ago

Then you have a choice.

Option 1. Halt scientific and technological progress and be robbed anyway because if capitalists do not get more money out of tech they are getting it out of making you work more hours for less money.

Option 2. End capitalism.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 12 points 8 hours ago (4 children)

I don't get the ai hate sentiment.

I don't get what's not to get. AI is a heap of bullshit that's piled on top of a decade of cryptobros.

it's not even impressive enough to make a positive world impact in the 2-3 years it's been publicly available.

shit is going to crash and burn like web3.

I've seen people put full on contracts that are behind NDAs through a public content trained AI.

I've seen developers use cuck-pilot for a year and "never" code again... until the PR is sent back over and over and over again and they have to rewrite it.

I've seen the AI news about new chemicals, new science, new _fill-in-the-blank and it all be PR bullshit.

so yeah, I don't believe AI is our savior. can it make some convincing porn? sure. can it do my taxes? probably not.

[–] renzev@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

When I hear "AI", I think of that thing that proofreads my emails and writes boilerplate code. Just a useful tool among a long list of others. Why would I spend emotional effort hating it? I think people who "hate" AI are just as annoying as the people pushing it as the solution to all our problems.

[–] Vigge93@lemmy.world 13 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

You are ignoring ALL of the of the positive applications of AI from several decades of development, and only focusing on the negative aspects of generative AI.

Here is a non-exhaustive list of some applications:

  • In healthcare as a tool for earlier detection and prevention of certain diseases
  • For anomaly detection in intrusion detection system, protecting web servers
  • Disaster relief for identifying the affected areas and aiding in planning the rescue effort
  • Fall detection in e.g. phones and smartwatches that can alert medical services, especially useful for the elderly.
  • Various forecasting applications that can help plan e.g. production to reduce waste. Etc...

There have even been a lot of good applications of generative AI, e.g. in production, especially for construction, where a generative AI can the functionally same product but with less material, while still maintaining the strength. This reduces cost of manufacturing, and also the environmental impact due to the reduced material usage.

Does AI have its problems? Sure. Is generative AI being misused and abused? Definitely. But just because some applications are useless it doesn't mean that the whole field is.

A hammer can be used to murder someone, that does not mean that all hammers are murder weapons.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

give me at least two peer reviewed articles that AI has had a measurably positive impact on society over the last 24 months.

shouldn't be too hard for AI to come up with that, right?

if you can do that then I'll admit that AI has potential to become more than a crypto scam.

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 7 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

He's already given you 5 examples of positive impact. You're just moving the goalposts now.

I'm happy to bash morons who abuse generative AIs in bad applications and I can acknowledge that LLM-fuelled misinformation is a problem, but don't lump "all AI" together and then deny the very obvious positive impact other applications have had (e.g. in healthcare).

[–] IsoSpandy@lemm.ee 0 points 3 hours ago

LLMs fucking suck. But there are things that don't suck. AI chess engines have entirety changed the game, AI protein predictors have made designer drugs and nanobots come within our grasp.

It's just that tech bros want to grab quick cash from us peasants and that somehow equates to integrating chat gpt into everything. The most moronic of AI has become their poster child. It's like if we asked people what a US president is like in character and everybody showed Trump to them as an example.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 4 hours ago

If AI image generation is so bad why we have so many etsy and patreon artists complaining about it?

If no one would use it because it is so bad why would anyone care that it is trained on their products?

Do you know this joke about MAGA and the Schrodinger's immigrant? They somehow believe that immigrants are both stealing people jobs and lazy and living on wellfare.

AntiAI bros are somehow similar. AI is at the same time stealing artists jobs and completely useless incapable of producing nothing that people would want.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 1 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

If I just hand wave all the good things and call them bullshit, AI is nothing more than bad things!

  • Lemmy
[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 5 points 6 hours ago

If I just hand wave all the bad things and call them amazing, AI is everything but the bad things!

  • ~~cryptobros~~ AI evangelists
[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 7 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Current "AI's" (LLMs) are only useful for art and non-fact based text. The two things people particularly do not need computers to do for them.

[–] IsoSpandy@lemm.ee 1 points 3 hours ago

Llms fucking suck. But that's the worst kind of ai. It's just an autocorrect on steroids. But you know what a good ai is? The one that give an amino acid sequence predicts it's 3d structure. It's mind boggling. We can design personal protein robots with that kind of knowledge.

[–] yankaremonsters@leminal.space -2 points 4 hours ago

hey bitch youre killed two people in your trolley problem. You suck bro. Why did you kill two people? You should be attached on the track bro, not gonna lie.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 72 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (4 children)

The whole "all AI bad" is disconnected and primitivism.

John J. Hopfield work is SCIENCE with caps. A decade of investigations during the 80s when computational power couldn't really do much with their models. And now it has been shown that those models work really good given proper computational power.

Also not all AI is generative AI that takes money out of fanfic drawers pockets or an useless hallucinating chatbot. Neural networks are commonly used in science as a very useful tool for many tasks. Also image recognition is nowadays practically a solved issue thanks to their research. Proteins folding. Dataset reduction. Fluent text to speech. Speech recognition... AI may be getting more track nowadays because the generative AIs (that also have their own merit, like or not) but there is much more to it.

As any technological advance there are shitty use cases and good use cases. You cannot condemn a whole tech just for the shitty uses of some greedy capitalists. Well.. you can condemn it. But then I will classify you as a primitivist.

Scientific theory that resulted in practical applications useful to people is why the nobel prize was created to begin with. So it is a well given prize. More so than many others.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 6 points 7 hours ago

You sir or madam give me hope that there are still reasonable people on the internet. Well written.

Wait, are you an AI bot defending itself...?

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 28 points 20 hours ago

Agreed. Which is why we should call it Machine Learning (or Data Science) and continue to torch OpenAI until it is no more.

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 11 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Generative AI is really causing a negative association with AI in general to the point where a proper rebranding is probably in order.

[–] Don_alForno 6 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Let's start by not calling it AI anymore. Cause it isn't.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 5 hours ago

It has been called like that since the 50s were it could do literally nothing because computer power wasn't enough. It is the field that leads to an artificially created intelligence. We never had any issues with the name. No need for a rebrand.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Generative AI is part to AI. And it has its own merits. Very big merits. Like or not it is a milestone on the field. That it is mostly hated not because it doesn't work but because it does.

If generative AI could not create images the way it does I assure you we wouldn't have the legion of etsy and patreon painters complaining about it.

The nobel prize is not to generative AI, of course, it's about the fathers of the fields and their complex neural networks that made most advanced since then possible.

[–] msage@programming.dev 14 points 19 hours ago

'AI hate' is usually connected with insane claims like 'we have "reasoning" model'.

That shit needs to die in fire.

I'm still waiting for the full-planet weather model. That will be something.

[–] Godort@lemm.ee 95 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

To be fair, the protein folding thing is legitimately impressive and an actual good use for the technology that isnt just harvesting people's creativity for profit.

[–] GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk 54 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

The way to tell so often seems to be if someone has called it AI or Machine Learning.

AI? "I put this through chatgpt" (or "The media department has us by the balls")

ML? "I crunched a huge amount of data in a huge amount of ways, and found something interesting"

[–] keepthepace@slrpnk.net 0 points 19 hours ago

Actually I endorse the fact that we are less shy of calling "AI" algorithms that do exhibit emergent intelligence and broad knowledge. AI uses to be a legitimate name for the field that encompasses ML and we do understood a lot of interesting things about intelligence thanks to LLMs nowadays, like the fact that training on next-word-prediction is enough to create pretty complex world models, that transformer architectures are capable of abstraction or that morality arise naturally when you try to acquire all the pre-requisites to have a normal discussion with a human.