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Honest question. What's wrong with chromium? I understand why google/ms and other corpo flavours are bad, but why is base chromium bad
One big life-changing thing will be something like Manifest V3, limiting ad-blockers capabilities. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/12/chrome-users-beware-manifest-v3-deceitful-and-threatening https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/12/googles-manifest-v3-still-hurts-privacy-security-innovation
Rules for thee and not for me kind of stance when it comes to who is collecting all the sweet data from its users, it wont be possible to block every tracker and ad from Google in the future because every add-on will have a limit of how many domains they are trying to block.
I mean what could possibly go wrong if the biggest data collector and ad provider has a monopoly on web browser?
Why is it bad to use chromium base browsers? If the market is essentially only Chromium and Safari, Firefox compatibility will be even less important and broken sites will only lead to a bigger monopoly because users will switch.
And people still support and use Google search so the monster just continues growing.
I guess we get what we deserve as a species.
I've tried to move away from Google search so many times but honestly it's just too convenient..
I started using Startpage it takes Google searches and gives it to the user anonymously. The results are quite good because it's essential Google results.
@pingu @BrokenToshy, Startpage is my secondary search engine, mainly for images, the other secondary most used is Mojeek, but my main and first search is Andisearch (AI) with unique features and one of the most private search engine out there
Just tried it a bit, and it seems good, the summary on the left and the website on the right is a great UI (my preferences). I will test/try it for daily use and see if it can handle my often complicated problems…
I think duck duck go is better personally. There are still a ton of Google services id have trouble leaving though. Google photos, Maps, Docs ect. I don't think I could quit google altogether.
Isn't it Duck Duck Go that sent metadata to Microsoft, also if they denied it.
@pingu, I can't detect nothing apart of some anonymous data.
DDG is not my favorite search engine, but it can be considered private and reliable.
Sorry, I remembered it wrong… the problem was that DuckDuckGo stopped blocking Microsoft trackers. But it seems that the contract with Microsoft was terminated after the discovery.
Interesting so I guess they use Microsoft ad services and thus send data to Microsoft. I just like their search results because they're less spammy than Google. Also I found Google sensors their search results a bit more. Let's say your trying to find a site for pirate streaming. You'll have better luck with DuckDuckGo.
Searching for pirate streaming/illegal websites on Google is in general not a good idea…
Startpage, Google results without Google tracking.
They still get some data, but you can use something like DuckDuckGo as main and Startpage as fallback.
Librewolf, icecat, qutebrowser, iceraven, surf... are not chromium-based.
Qutebrowser is chromium-based, and barely anyone uses icecat since the modern web heavily relies on JS, iceraven is a Firefox for Android fork, which could maybe have like 50 users and librewolf is unusable for daily usage because of RFP (resist fingerprinting worsens a lot of sites that rely on canvas). (This is just my opinion)
I use Librewolf on a daily basis. (With disabled FPR)
Yeah, it's a lot better if you disable RFP, but it still wouldn't save my passwords and enabling Firefox Sync isn't accessible. Again, it's just my opinion.
Saving your password in your browser is a really really bad idea, use a password manager instead, like keepassxc (desktop), keepassxd (android).
Agree, but I use Bitwarden. I prefer it because it syncs my passwords from pc with my phone.
Vivaldi > All browsers
Isn't Vivaldi a bit overkill/bloated? It has so many utilities integrated (mail, calendar, …)
@pingu, I've been using it for 7 years and it has never appeared overloaded. There are some of the functions that I do not use and because of that I have hidden, however there are many others that come in very handy. But this is handled differently for each user, depending on how they use the browser. You can use extensions from the Chrome Store, but most are redundant in Vivaldi and not needed. You can give it the simple look of an old IE or of an Eurofighter panel and everything in between.
Oh ok, because when I tried it I was a bit overwhelmed about all the features that it has. And with every feature enabled at the beginning, the browser was a bit lagging.
I don't know why, but even on my machine which gets 40-60 FPS in FFXIV while simultaneously encoding a movie, Firefox was always slower than chromium browsers.
I truly don't understand it.
It's web builders deliberately building their sites and webapps for chromium based browsers only, because it has over 80% market share. They only test on firefox rudimentally. The experience is subpar and people use chromium instead because of it, cementing chromium as the most used browser. Some site builders do this because they don't have the time to extensively test a browser with low market share, others, like Google, do it deliberately.
I mean everybody is free to block them trash scripts from these developers with uMatrix or NoScript.