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After a day and several replies from people. I've come to the conclusion that people here are ok with their party and leaders supporting genocide and they attack the questioners (instead of their party leaders) who criticize those who support genocide. Critical thinking is scarce here.

I'm shameful of humanity.

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[–] Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world 50 points 1 month ago (18 children)

I too have a nuanced opinion about my voting options and a strong contempt for candidates who talk down to people who are right.

I'm still voting Harris because the only other option wants to see people like me hanged.

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[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 33 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Let the guy who wants to do even more genocide into office! That'll show the genociders!

People really out here wondering how the dems could have such right wing policies while also never showing up during primaries or generals to indicate that moving left will pay anything back.

Fosters electoral climate where the people who at minimum are sympathetic to the genociders are the majority of likely voters.

"Why won't the dems go against the genociders‽ How dare a major political party adopt policy positions that upset a contingent of voters who have consistently demonstrated they can't be trusted to show up even when you do take the positions they want as evidenced by how they completely abandoned Bernie during the primaries BOTH GODDAMNED TIMES!!!!"

Now to speak as a Palestinian American, your supposed stand for your principals is actively putting my people in even more danger, so quit acting like you're their ally while you basically use them as a hostage to demand leaders stop letting them be held hostage.

If you think the answer to Dems being soft on Bibi is to let power back into the hands of the guy who handed him West Bank, East Jerusalem, and The Golan Heights on a silver platter, you're either a covert zionist, or an unwitting agent of them, either way, you need to sit down and shut the fuck up before you get the people you're talking over into even more danger.

[–] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Nu-uh! I said I'm anti Genocide so I can't do no wrong with my vote! /s

Sometimes I wish I could vote in the US Elections too. They are much more dramatic then ours.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago

Trust me, drama is worth a lot more when seen than it is when experienced.

[–] Ephoron@lemmy.kde.social 3 points 1 month ago (10 children)

I'll ask the same question i did on the other thread. Why, do disaffected voters have to ...

[show] up during primaries or generals to indicate that moving left will pay anything back.

Why not just poll them, or focus-group them, or use proxies like social media?

You seem to have no problem with the notion of leftist groups communicating preferred policies to Democrat strategists, but then seem to bizarrely assume that the only way to communicate a willingness to vote is to actually vote (for a party you don't agree with).

Tell me... We all go out and vote Democrat. They get into power. How do they now know it wasn't the support for genocide that won them the vote and go even further next time?

[–] vonbaronhans@midwest.social 11 points 1 month ago (27 children)

A take I've heard that maybe you'll understand is this:

Leftist organizing in the US isn't going to change the system 90 days before election day. There's simply too much momentum with the two party system we have.

So now the situation is, vote for whoever you'd rather have in charge of the country while you do your leftist organizing for the next several years. I know I'd rather do that work under a Harris presidency than a Trump one, for a million obvious reasons.

To do anything else is to simply not understand the reality of the situation.

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[–] Knightfox@lemmy.one 6 points 1 month ago

Are you actually advocating that people shouldn't have to show up to the political system to get the system to go their way? Like, this is exactly what the primaries are for. Obama wasn't the preferred party candidate in 2008, it was Hilary, but there was so much primary support from Obama that he won over her. The same could have happened in 2016 or 2020, but young voters predominantly didn't come out to vote in the primaries.

If you think you should be able to just fill out a poll and turn out in November you fundamentally don't understand how the system works.

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[–] DomeGuy@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Is it too much to ask for a meme template that doesn't DIRECTLY contradict your message?

Or did you mean to imply that single-issue anti-gaza-slaughter voters are the equivalent of star wars criticts being properly annoyed by folk who like melodramatic space opera?

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[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 month ago (26 children)

regardless of the genocide(that has been going on for the last 20 election cycles), if you are undecided about the right choice in the 2024 US election, you're ignorant, selfish or spoiled.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago
  1. Democrats cut off funding.
  2. Israel keeps genociding because they don't need our help to shoot Palestinian kids in the head.
  3. Israel-Pac funds Republicans.
  4. Republicans win.
  5. Republicans accelerate the Genocide over there.
  6. Republicans revoke US Citizenship of Gaza protestors here, imprison them in detention camps with other "undesirables", just like Israel did with Gaza.
  7. Republicans declare war on Mexico and invade to set up a security zone, just like Israel did with Lebanon.
[–] TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

So in either not voting or voting for the other guy you achieve:

  1. even more and FASTER genocide

  2. genocide in ukraine

  3. genocide at home for everyone in lgbtq

Good job! You solved genocide by not voting Kamala!

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