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[–] pandapoo@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

He failed to legitimize the government that has been ruling the country since 1979....?

Presumably this website feels the Pahlavi dynasty, which was installed and backed by foreign powers and also lasted about 50 years, was the last legitimate government.

You don't have to support theocracy to recognize the absurdity of claiming that a government that's been in charge for 50 years, and is recognized around the world, is somehow illegitimate.

[–] btaf45@lemmy.world -3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

He failed to legitimize the government that has been ruling the country since 1979…?

The monarchy system of the Shah lasted 2500 years. Not sure what the point it.

You don’t have to support theocracy to recognize the absurdity of claiming that a government that’s been in charge for 50 years, and is recognized around the world, is somehow illegitimate.

It is illegitimate as a democracy and government that represents its own people. People are protesting the fakeness of the election by not voting.

[–] pandapoo@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Sure, they had a system of relatively successive monarchies, but that isn't the same as having a single running system of government. And it certainly not somehow more legitimate than theocracy, if your own benchmark is democratic rule - which you just said was the determining factor of a government's legitimacy.

Also, not for nothing, but the last monarchical dynasty was literally installed by the British, and propped up by Western powers until the people, or at least, a fanatically religious subset of the people, overthrew them.

Again, it's not like I'm a fan of theocracies, but saying that their current government is illegitimate is absurd, whether viewed in the context of international relations, or internal support and control.

[–] btaf45@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Let's look at your 3 criteria one by one:

or internal support

The regime is definitely illegitimate in eyes of the people, as proven by the fact that most people stayed away from the sham election where their only choices was between archconservatives and reactionaries.

the context of international relations,

The US has had no diplomatic relations with Iran since 1979 and does not recognize that regime as legitimate.

and control.

Yes they do control people. With torture and murder. But torture and murder is not really viewed as a legitimate way for countries to control their population.

[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Iranians abroad are like Cubans. They have a psychopathic hatred for the government that overthrew the ancien régime.

[–] btaf45@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The Supreme Dictator regime is in most ways worse than the Shah. The Shah didn't make women wear ridiculous clothes and arrest people for making dancing videos about being happy.

[–] pandapoo@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

No one here is debating that there is some hidden upside to theocracy. They're bad, we get it.

His point though, is that much like the Miami Cubans, the Iranian exiles that fled after the overthrow of the Shah, tend to be part of the old ruling class that had been disempowered. At least, the most vocal ones.

Also, just like Batista, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, was enabled and backed by Western powers, before revolutionaries overthrew him and ended his dynasty.

[–] btaf45@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

the Iranian exiles that fled after the overthrow of the Shah, tend to be part of the old ruling class that had disempowered.

And the people stuck behind are the people who don't view the regime as legitimate in this article.

[–] yesman@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I fed this article through google translate and it was just a picture of Netanyahu pointing and saying "hey look, over there"!

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I know. I stubbed my toe this morning, must have been because of Israel. Also the office coffee wasn't that great and as a drank the burnt cheap brown water I asked myself why Israel did this to me.

We are the same. Twinsies!