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They line up in front of a courthouse in southeastern France, from morning to evening, and have gathered in the thousands in cities across the country. They hold signs reading, "one rape every six minutes," "not all men but always a man," and "giving in is not consenting."

They chant: "Rapist we see you, victim we believe you."

Women across France are rallying in support of Gisèle Pelicot, a 72-year-old reluctant icon whose husband is on trial in the city of Avignon for systematically drugging her and inviting dozens of men, 50 of whom are now his co-defendants, into their home to rape her over nearly a decade.

The shocking case has sparked what many women in France call a long-overdue reckoning over "rape culture" and systemic sexism in the way the judicial system handles sexual violence.

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[–] EndlessApollo@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Where is all this passion for male victims of rape when people aren't protesting the rape of a woman or women in general?

This is a rhetorical question

[–] Walk_blesseD@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Edit: nevermind, I think I misread that.

[–] Fox@pawb.social 160 points 1 week ago (46 children)

not all men but always a man

Pointless sexist bullshit and wrong on its face. I never understood the drive some people have to paint abusive behavior as exclusive to men.

[–] narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee 79 points 1 week ago (42 children)

Exactly. If anything, signs like these drag the attention away from the actual issue.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 53 points 1 week ago

I mean this thread is a good example of that and why such signs are bad

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[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 94 points 1 week ago (7 children)

'Not all men but always a man' seems to marginalise victims of female rapists, which do exist.

Otherwise, I'm absolutely in favour of rehabilitation, and if necessary, isolation of rapists - of all genders. I hope the court/government can be made to agree

[–] saroh@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago (11 children)

From the article:

The number of sexual assault victims in France increased by 33% in 2021 and nearly doubled from 2017, according to a government report. Women made up 89% of rape victims, while 96% of sexual violence perpetrators were men.

It seems that sexual violence has been hidden in plain sight and downplayed heavily by the police and justice system, or simply socially accepted.

It's estimated 10% of people have been victim of incest, here in France. How can you build something safe based on that.

I don't believe our current justice system allows for proper rehabilitation. Second offense for such crimes are still very high (10%?).

IMHO It's a nation wide educational failure and our politicians aren't really keen on fixing this, for now.

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[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 60 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I don't like that sign. Sure, when she gets raped it's probably a man but every time it's happened to me so far it has been a woman, so, no not "always a man."

"Good" news is that while I was forced to have sex (or else what was I gonna do fight her? Yeah that won't end with me in cuffs) it isn't rape because definitionally the worst women can do in my area is sexual assault, and people only care if you're a minor, just try and report it as an adult. Most people just think "oh you're a man you must've liked it" and just minimize it away because we're just sex objects so who fucking cares, I just had to get the fuck over it and I did, but it still pisses me off that I'm literally the victim of this shit and treated like a perpetrator by default just because I happen to have a penis, it's the ultimate "fuck you" on top really.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 37 points 1 week ago

As a male SA victim I have been repeatedly told that it was my fault for having the privilege. So I guess “you’re welcome” to both of us.

[–] moon@lemmy.ml 57 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Came here to see discussions about the truly insane case mentioned in the article. Actually found an entire comment section full of 'not all men' vs 'basically all men' threads

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[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 52 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Its a shame an obviously inflammatory sign and clickbait seeking article image has made it so that the discussion is mostly off topic.

Its insane and the whole evil piece of shit that perpetrated his kink of having multiple people raped by omission and literal drugging and rape gets away from conversations by the obvious bullshit of absolutes is insane to me. how about no victim blaming on either side and recognition that rape is awful abuse of power dynamics that occur whenever its viewed as possible.

But also this post should probably be removed because that sign is meant to cause this kinda of angry response and it leads into a lot of hurt victims and happily ignorant people hand waving it away.

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[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 41 points 1 week ago

Ok, wow, this is a fucked up thread.

I just came here to say "More power to her!", she's setting an incredible example and we need to turn back the misogyny and just general sexual violence that we've had in society since time immemorial.

[–] 2ugly2live@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago

My heart breaks for her. I'm glad she gets to see the support of those around her while going through this. And Jesus fuck, how can you even do that to someone? I just cannot wrap my mind of being able to hurt someone like that, and then to keep doing that, and just go on living life. I'm not religious, but I hope that man burns in hell.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 31 points 1 week ago (8 children)

My mom molested me when I was a child. Not always a man, and fuck that bitch for trying to pretend it’s so.

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