If only people could understand the basic concept that hating a government is possible without hating the people living there.
this post was submitted on 07 Oct 2023
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One of my favorite quotes:
If I have one message to give to the secular American people, it’s that the world is not divided into countries. The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don’t know each other, but we talk together and we understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same. - Marjane Satrapi
Different situation, same idea.
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haven't they determined that most Israeli Jewish folk are genetically just european? like one of their ancestors chose to convert
A reminder:
Palestinians are awesome!
The genocidal regime that rules over Gaza who murder innocent people while blocking Palestinian democracy is NOT AWESOME!
What about all the Palestinians internationally that are currently celebrating that massacre?
Probably the same as all the Jewish and Christian people internationally that celebrate and monetarily and militarily support the Israeli apartheid regime even as they would kill innocents, cut off water and supplies, and kill journalists. ESH.
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Obviously not awesome but easy to explain. I assume that being Palestinian gives them a certain - very one sided perspective on the conflict because they probably perceive Israel as an evil colonialist terror State that has been oppressing and killing them for decades.
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I've been awake too long, but isn't murdering infidels and blowing up thousands of years of culture so you can seize a land promised to you by an invisible omnipotent being that only important powerful people can talk to kind of like the Crusades?
I could be wrong. I'm an illiterate pagan. I find religious expression hugging trees and doing a number of other activities in the nude.
Tbh, the concept doesn't require a specific religion or even any religion at all to work.
Christians can do that, so can Jews, Muslims, Hindi or any other religion. Or Marxists or Capitalists, Nazis or Brits, Americans or Russians.
In general, large organisations (countries, companies, religions, ...) that want to gain money/power through violence usually pick a random ideology or motive to do so, because it helps to justify the act and thus motivates soldiers/fighters and potential recruits.
But the justification is never the actual reason. The reason is to increase money and power.
Am I the only one suspicious about the timing of this attack? Right on the time Netanyahu is under extreme pressure at home a major war comes out of his ass.
Can't help but notice everybody loses with this war, except him. He's the only one that takes advantage of this situation. Not Israel, not Hamas and sure as hell not the Palestinians.
There's a stench here. Something is not right.
Also on the 50 year anniversary of another attack that happened on a Jewish holiday.
I hate to say this, but sukkot is a tactically advantageous time to attack. It’s celebrated by sleeping under temporary booths with sparse natural cover. If you want to attack, waiting until the people you want to attack are no longer protected by a roof makes sense.
Roofs only marginally help with the rockets. The bunkers in the buildings are where people go when the sirens go off. Shouldn't be much harder to get to them from your back yard / porch.
A lot of people are away from home though
Wow, the anti-Israel propaganda machine snaps into action before the Israeli civilian deaths are even counted. This is just shameful.
Yeah sure... it is not like Israel is operating dedicated social media propaganda.... Oh wait they do and love to turn the narrative into themselves being the victims of unfair persecution and claiming any critique to be antisemitism.
Did you mean to link two stories that detail how Israel debunks fabricated anti-Israel propaganda?
Because you just linked two stories that detail how Israel debunks fabricated anti-Israel propaganda.
[Israel] won’t leave negative stories out there online without a response, and we will spread positive messages. ...We are putting public diplomacy in the hands of the public. (Linked from your first source)
Around 180 students [are] looking out for false anti-Israel coverage and explaining facts (from the Second Source that you linked)
I guess take my upvote for your support of honest reporting on anti-Israel propaganda.
Are you really that naive?
The propaganda entities are of course saying that they are just "debunking" and reactes to "false coverage". Their job is to spread propaganda, not to do fact checking.
If you struggle seeing this just reread and replace Israel with China:
China won’t leave negative stories out there online without a response, and we will spread positive messages. …We are putting public diplomacy in the hands of the public.
Around 180 students [are] looking out for false anti-China coverage and explaining facts
Would you really believe this to be the real objective and not to just spread propaganda and drown out criticism? If it was just for facts they wouldn't need that, as there is enough of neutral or slightly positive towards Israel media outlets all around the world that provide reasonable coverage of Israel. But when you bomb hospitals and schools there is only so much factual positive coverage possible.
Is this where Pam from the Office shows up to talk about pictures?
Lemmy's flooded with anti-palestinian-occupation propaganda today.
Please keep it up.
Probably American Redditors that can't see past any of the narratives they've been force fed
Im seing a bunch of things about israel right now, im out of the loop on this. Can somebody fill me in on what (if anything) happened?
Hamas launched a whole bunch of rockets at Israeli civilians and killed many. Israel declared war as a result. Situation still ongoing
Dude, it's a fucking ground invasion. They are murdering civilians in their homes and kidnapping Israeli citizens into the Gaza strip
Invasion is a bit over the top. It is a few thousand fighters with no chance to reconquer any territory. It is an incursion at best.
It's still more monstrous that anything Isreal have done.., and boy oh boy they've done things.
I've seen way too many photos and videos in the past day. I've seen a women got shot in her car from the outside. Her baby was executed on the back seat. Mind you, the religion they believe in absolutely prohibits this.
I've seen the video of the Israeli soldiers lifeless bodies getting beaten and limbs getting cut off. I've seen soldier bodies getting loaded on to jeeps, pickups or even a guy carrying a body with a scooter.
I saw the video of an Israeli woman taken hostage, with her crotch are having blood(?) stains.
I've seen the pictures of women that were taken hostage and their relatives looking for them in Facebook. (Technically, Islam don't prohibit female hostages to be used as sex slaves, but I might be wrong on that).
I even saw the German girl they've murdered, strip and carry the body around with a pickup.
On the other side, the worst thing Israelis did were to strip down and reverse hand cuffed bunch of Hamas people. Also numbering them with paint.
Both sides are bad but holy fuck, seeing what Hamas have done in the course of a single day.., Isrealis look like they're good guys (which they definitely aren't, btw).
I looked for footage and i have seen none of these. Also saying the worst Israel did was handcuff some people is full of bullshit, when there is videos of them bombing hospitals and NGOs like MFS reporting their doctors killed. Oh and of course there is the constant killing of Palestinians over the years, like the murder of a journalist last year.
"special operation"
An invasion is a military offensive of combatants of one geopolitical entity, usually in large numbers, entering territory controlled by another similar entity, generally with the objective of either: conquering; liberating or re-establishing control or authority over a territory; forcing the partition of a country; altering the established government or gaining concessions from said government; or a combination thereof.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion
Neither can Hamas field large numbers, nor is Israel a similiar entity, as it is an established nation state with a well armed military, nor is the goal to conquer or establish authority over the areas attacked. The only criterium that is fullfilled is the "gaining concessions" part.
And comparing this to the russian invasion of Ukraine is just silly. Or did i miss the videos of kilometre long convoys driving onto Jerusalem, and hundreds of aircrafts launching from Gaza? I've seen some videos of guys in a motorized paraglider. But you dont want to really consider that equal to a fighter jet or attack helicopter do you?
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Religions suck. They're the root of all problems.
They aren't the root, but they're a strong enabler
A lot of the times they are precisely the root
Are they the root, or are they a justification? Seems like a pretty reductive take, to be honest.
Wars have been occurring for a long time, and generally a desire for resources (including control over people) is a leading cause. Religion is an easy thing to use to get people to lay their lives on the line for you if they already have that belief. Equally it's an easy scapegoat for anti-religious people to blame wars on as well.
This conflict isn't just about religion. If it was then Israel's neighbours probably would have got involved as well.
Interesting take after about a century of World Wars, Cold War and other global conflicts that where mostly not about religion at all.
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