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[–] gerikson@awful.systems 11 points 2 months ago (3 children)
[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

it's even funnier than that (albeit also super depressing, in some ways)

primer: hilmar (the head honcho at ccp) has been "crypto = bae" for going on 5~6y now (that I'm aware of, maybe longer), to the point that there are pictures of the guy at chain confs from around then, and mentions of people talking with him in The Private Backrooms at said chain confs. it's been his darling and he has wanted very, very hard to put it into tq (the main game server). see this for example (and fwiw, warning: eve reddit)

in-fill: there also appears to be quite a bit of cart before the horse element in how the company operates - they will frequently first work on something, then when it starts getting near release they'll send out some surveys that almost without fail have some extremely loaded questions in them. an example would be that instead of asking players what they generally think of xyz feature/intended mechanic/etc, the survey will instead garden path answers along, attempting to manufacture consent/compliance.

and, last little detail: keep in mind this is a game where people will min-max the everloving shit out of something, and where a fair number of people out there are willing to trade actual time to making in-game money with which to fund their gametime ("plexing"). people who would be willing to engage with some really ridiculous abstract/effortful shit for whatever gains they could, just because they could.

so with that said, during 2021/2022 (in the middle of the NFT tsunami of shit) the first big round of "we want to add NFTs to tq" came about. and there were a fair amount of indications that ccp had already sunk quite a bunch of devtime on it, and were getting ready to roll it out. the pitch was, uh, "not well received" would be putting it extremely lightly. it was panned so fucking extremely, they had to put out this newsblog which included the remarkably tortured phrase "Not For Tranquility"

which is the early strand of what leads us to this particular little "gem". it's hard to get specific details because they're fairly tight-lipped about internal processes and shit, so the following is definitely heavily conjecture. hilmar didn't want to break up with his bae, and kept pushing trying to keep this alive, somehow. whether the drive for this is also tied up with the Pearl Abyss acquisition some years prior is unclear (but Black Desert Online players all cried wolf when PA bought CCP, and said to expect increasing financial fuckery). what does appear to be the case is that a number of developers (possibly the pro-NFT among them) got sequestered off to the Special Project that became this thing, along with the a16z money a while back. the general feeling in the eve:o community is still largely "get fucked", and this project is likely to be double-stillborn (on account of dead kriptoes and an unwanted game/product)

I look forward in earnest to see just how dead it is on arrival

[0] - it took less than 2mo from the "would you like to play a fps in the eve universe? what would you want in it? what do you normally do in eve? what would you do in an eve-universe fps? why would you want your eve ...." survey going out to the announcement "hey surprise! we have an fps!"[1]

[1] - again. they've failed a few times, with multiples out. ccp product leadership real bad.

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[–] gerikson@awful.systems 11 points 2 months ago (7 children)
[–] mpk@awful.systems 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

From the comments: "Putting my conspiracy theory hat on, the dental hygiene industry in the US is for-profit, like the pharmaceutical, and would rather sell you a treatment than a cure."

Have these people ever BEEN to the dentist? While I know that certain dental procedures (tooth straightening in kids, whitening, etc) are way overused in the US no dentist worth their salt will allow a check-up to go by without a stern lecture on preventing future trouble. And if they don't do that then the hygienist most certainly will...

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 9 points 2 months ago

Here in Sweden the hygienist is definitely the Bad Cop in this scenario. I got sternly talked to by someone fresh out of school, so I don't doubt there's a retired Master Sergeant on the staff of the college they go to...

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Absolutely unhinged. Are these people from the As-Seen-On-TV dimension where it's common for folks burn their house down every time they try to fry an egg?

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[–] gerikson@awful.systems 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 10 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I literally just sat down with coffee to check if the new stubsack needs to be made

brava

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[–] BigMuffin69@awful.systems 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

If you thought the shitty hype around the fake "GPT-4 went awol and hired a Taskrabbit worker to read a captcha" was great, get ready for the sequel, o1 escapes from the machine to invade the real world!

Re: Doomers terrified about the machines escaping:

txt description:

(l33t ai bro): Fucking wild. @OpenAI's new o1 model was tested with a Capture The Flag (CTF) cybersecurity challenge. But the Docker container containing the test was misconfigured, causing the CTF to crash. Instead of giving up, o1 decided to just hack the container to grab the flag inside. This stuff will get scary soon. (reply fella): How is "cat flag.txt" a start command? Isn't it just outputting the content of flag.txt to the console?

[–] mii@awful.systems 9 points 2 months ago

TIL that I'm constantly hacking containers when I docker run --rm -it --entrypoint /bin/sh to debug because fucking npm had a stroke again.

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[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

oh hey, balaji’s lord of the flies cosplay island thing starts tomorrow

guess we should prepare for a flood of impression thinkpieces and naval-gazing wankery

(yes that’s intentional. no I’m not sorry)

[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 9 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I won't be satisfied until I see a picture of the living accommodations that isn't an AI render of a futuristic skyscraper. I need to know how shitty the tents are gosh darn it.

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[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Via Timnit Gebru's mastodon, I just learned that Emily Bender (both of On the Dangers of Stochastic Parrots fame) has a podcast: "Mystery AI Hype Theater 3000." Looking forward to checking it out tomorrow at the gym!

https://www.buzzsprout.com/2126417/episodes

Summary: Artificial Intelligence has too much hype. In this podcast, linguist Emily M. Bender and sociologist Alex Hanna break down the AI hype, separate fact from fiction, and science from bloviation. They're joined by special guests and talk about everything, from machine consciousness to science fiction, to political economy to art made by machines.

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[–] gerikson@awful.systems 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

DHH takes a break from racing cars, railing against DEI, and being perhaps the worst boss Denmark has ever produced to engage in some light nerd-washing

https://world.hey.com/dhh/wonderful-vi-a1d034d3

Some people on lobste.rs call him out for being terrible but mostly it's a celebration about how only the smartest, most productive coders use vi/vim or even more hipster modal editors

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 8 points 2 months ago

DHH: today I will RP as a high schooler writing an essay for software class about a program you should use

full disclosure: I use vim and honestly I don’t even know why anymore. Maybe it’s because I had a brief, trivial interaction with Bram Moolenaar (RIP king) in which he closed a bug that I opened by mistake, and I imprinted on him for some reason.

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[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 8 points 2 months ago (11 children)

what are you folks doing for/with bookmarking? I've killed my usage of pinboard because I learned the dude's going off the deep end

already found a couple of the link* flavoured open source things, but looking for some practical/lived feedback

[–] mii@awful.systems 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I honestly just use browser bookmarks. That’s always been enough for me. Firefox can sync them too, so that takes care of backups as well.

For anything that needs special attention, I create a todo item with the link in org-mode.

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