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[–] Jarmer@slrpnk.net 137 points 2 months ago (2 children)

so many people left reddit and fled to discord. So sad. Discord was ALWAYS going to enshittify itself to death, but okay people.

[–] Rayspekt@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago (2 children)

As a forum-like community like Reddit it was always shit to begin with.

[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Still light years ahead of FB groups tho

[–] Rayspekt@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

That's not the biggest accomplishment.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Man, you should have seen forums at hobby sites, etc in the times before Reddit/Digg...

[–] Rayspekt@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

At least those forums store information in threads. Discord is just an endless stream of blabber.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 10 points 2 months ago

Agreed. Or worse: for documentation!

[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago

Was looking into some FOSS tools, the ones that say discord I automatically skip, imo it’s not future proof.

[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 106 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I'm surprised they didn't put a time limit on the storage since they are not a file hosting platform.

[–] terminhell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 69 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Honestly, I've always been surprised they allow any direct file transfers, instead of having to use external links.

[–] lemmyingly@lemm.ee 14 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I find it weird that they upload content to their own servers even when you provide them with an external link.

[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago

They want the data

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[–] dgriffith@aussie.zone 88 points 2 months ago

Dammit now I have to reduce the block size of my discord-based cold storage filesystem.

[–] skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl 80 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] Daxtron2@startrek.website 30 points 2 months ago (19 children)

Most Lemmy servers don't relentlessly track and sell everything you do though. Discord makes way more money off your data than it costs them to host.

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[–] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 63 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The enshitification is progressing nicely!

[–] pup_atlas@pawb.social 60 points 2 months ago (10 children)

I don’t see this as enshittification. It’s a real thing that’s happening, but raw storage is expensive. They pay for it directly. Unlike artificially limiting features that are “free” to them, this genuinely isn’t, it’s not even really super discounted for them on the backend. They’re likely just paying for a series of S3 buckets.

[–] Count042@lemmy.ml 38 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I'm a sys admin/devops engineer, and yes, storage is far more expensive then people realize.

This is the very definition of enshittification.

EDIT: To those downvoting:

Do you actually know what the definition of enshittification is? Apparently not.

Enshittification (alternately, crapification and platform decay) is a pattern in which online products and services decline in quality. Initially, vendors create high-quality offerings to attract users, then they degrade those offerings to better serve business customers, and finally degrade their services to users and business customers to maximize profits for shareholders.

It doesn't matter that the cost of storage is a real thing. They gave things of value away for free to grow their user base and to try and capture network effects. Now that they think they have that they are taking away ( or decreasing ) the free stuff of value they gave away.

The fact that storage has value is literally an important part of enshitification.

It wouldn't be enshitification if they gave away free stuff that wasn't valuable.

[–] tyler@programming.dev 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It’s not enshittification because it literally doesn’t follow the second part of your own definition. Needing to change your offerings because your internal prices increase is normal business. Enshittification literally is from companies offering stuff to entice users and then they realize they have nothing else to offer to businesses, so they remove features in order to sell them to businesses or to increase ads.

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[–] Jessica@discuss.tchncs.de 57 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (10 children)

Well that didn't last very long. It was 8 MB for like six years and then it just went to 25 MB maybe a year ago and now we're back down to 10 MB.

I'm surprised they aren't offsetting the cost by selling all our data to language learning models like everyone else is

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 40 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I’m surprised they aren’t offsetting the cost by selling all our data to language learning models like everyone else is

Hah. Hahaha. Hahahahahahaahahahahahaha. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[–] Jessica@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Just to be clear, I 100% think they are selling our data. What I meant was I'm surprised they're concerned about the size of the uploads when they could just be selling the uploaded data.

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[–] 30p87 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And standard screenshots of my desktop are ~30mb, I was lucky to upload it lol

[–] B0rax 14 points 2 months ago (23 children)

What format are you saving them in? BMP? Try png.

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[–] davel@lemmy.ml 41 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Storage (and transfer and processing) has only ever gotten cheaper, but okay.

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 26 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Sure it's getting cheaper, but is it getting cheaper faster than their need for it?

I've always expected their business model was unsustainable probably only able to manage through venture capital and growth.

There's hardly even any competition, their free product is substantial. Even fully funding a server is barely enough to cover a bare metal node.

This is just the introduction to cost savings. As they wade into market saturation, and still need to provide growth in numbers they'll need to pinch the free users into paying and pinch the paying users into paying enough to fully fund the service. Of course it won't stop there...

Edit: FFS dictation can't 'their' it's way out of a wet paper bag.

[–] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 months ago

Yes but are your storage Managers doing anything? Going on long lunches and racking up bar tabs? Expensing escorts?

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 30 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Please discord die already

[–] MerchantsOfMisery@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (9 children)

Until a viable alternative is presented, I doubt Discord will die anytime soon. Part of the problem is people have a hard time accepting that even if you make the best meal in town, you've gotta get people to step inside before they'll try it. To an extent, this does involve winning a popularity contest of sorts if you want Discord to die.

I think often times folks are torn between enjoying a space/app as is, and making compromises to attract a larger group. IMO Linux has the same issue and that's part of why die hard fanboys get so aggressively defensive when this is brought up.

It's the software equivalent of being the bitter "nice guy" that simultaneously wants to attract a girlfriend (users) but is kind of an asshole to women. You might think you don't stink but please wear deodorant.

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[–] MerchantsOfMisery@lemmy.ml 28 points 2 months ago (4 children)

If Discord was open source, I actually would not mind paying a fee for it. Fixed or reccurring, ideally the former. But that's never happening. And forget buying that Nitro thing.

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[–] graphene@lemm.ee 18 points 2 months ago (2 children)

They decreased it?? People always complain about max file sizes being too small.

Also, how is telegram able to offer 2 GB per file and 4 GB on premium? In comparison, that seems astronomical!

[–] nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br 9 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I believe telegram manages that with severe upload and download speed limits, but Telegram has always been a bit shady, hasn't it? Who knows how they financially support all that.

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[–] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Discord's enshitification continues.

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[–] Resol@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago (6 children)

I gotta admit, I have no problem with introducing a completely new feature and locking it to paying members. But taking away an already existing feature from non-members, or limiting it in some way, is simply outrageous. They could've kept the upload limit at 25MB, and increased it for Nitro users to something like an entire gigabyte. This would've encouraged people to get Nitro. But lowering the upload limit for free users would just encourage them to leave and find an alternative (and the problem is that there aren't any viable ones because they aren't used as much).

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[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago (9 children)
[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Revolt I love, but there's no federation or anything, and I won't be able to get anyone to switch unless they could join many servers from mine

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[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Maybe they should just delete their data every month. Holding 1 20mb file or 2 10mb files aren’t much different

[–] pedz@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 months ago

I am fortunate enough to know how to set up VMs and use Linux, so I run my own IRC server with a web interface (TheLounge). I can set the upload limit to what I want and settled for 100MB. This way my friends and I are not at the mercy of some proprietary software.

I do pay for a dedicated server that I also use to host my games' servers and also a mumble server, but it's so worth it, just to have control over our stuff.

[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Easy fix, don't store any of it on the cloud. The client's PC has plenty more than 25MB

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