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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 230 points 2 months ago (25 children)

Rather than just help them (which is cheaper btw) they take services away from everyone in an attempt to make their area shitty enough they'll go somewhere else...

Completely ignoring that they're making it shitty for the people they want to keep too, which makes people want to leave and depressed selling prices, which can easily lead to a panic and flight from an area destroying the community.

Even from a purely selfish capitalistic perspective, it's best to just have a fucking safety net. Beyond all the ethical reasons we should, there's not a single logical reason not to fucking help people.

[–] WHYAREWEALLCAPS@fedia.io 93 points 2 months ago

The problem is that businesses see it as a way to drive customers into their stores where they can then demand they either buy something or leave. This is end stage capitalism bullshit where they're trying to wring blood from a stone.

[–] Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 2 months ago (1 children)

But have you considered that maybe my good and just God has given me a mission to make everyone else suffer?

I'm sure it's written somewhere in the bible. Idk I've never read it.

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[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 24 points 2 months ago

Yeah, but Republican voters want to hurt people who aren't like them. How will your proposal help them do that??

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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 168 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They keep dealing with the symptoms of the problem but never the root of the problem.

Namely the weak, cowardly, ignorant, parasitic minority of wealthy idiots that want to horde the wealth of the world for their own short insignificant lives.

[–] batmaniam@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago (5 children)

The 90s in the USA were a simpler time, but some folks got it: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs-O4k9jZzE

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[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 124 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Well duh. If people start gathering in public and talking to each other with a modicum of comfort, they might get thoughts in their heads

[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 47 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

And thoughts lead to actions!

And you know what's an action? Addressing the wage gap!

We must stop that!

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[–] forgotmylastusername@lemmy.ml 33 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's kind of crazy how swiftly Occupy was wiped off the zeitgeist. A key cultural event of the 2010s gone as if it never happened.

[–] PrimeMinisterKeyes@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Far more often than not, even bloody revolutions do not achieve their goals, or lead to merely cosmetic and/ or short-lived changes. E.g. Kent Gang Deng investigated 269 major peasant rebellions over 2106 years of Chinese history. Guess how many of these actually rewrote history in any way, shape or form.
Recently, I've been reading several interesting pieces on the "Occupy" movement, the related G20 and other protests in the Western world, dating back as far as the 1960s. The bottom line being: asking nicely for some minimum demands that even conservative politicians can get behind, like capping CEOs' wages, will not get the job done. In fact, some of the powers that be can use it for their internal power struggles and to show it off as a sort of legitimization folklore. "See how democratic we are? We even have protesters in little tents! Don't worry, they aren't hurting anyone."
All hope is not lost, though, if new protest modalities can be found.

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[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 94 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I'm currently on vacation in California at an outdoor mall. I'm squat/sitting on a tiny piece of concrete that's like 8” off the ground and am so mad that I can relate to this picture. Why the fuck can't we just have benches!?!

[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 76 points 2 months ago

Because poor people might use them, so fuck you pleb.

[–] Crikeste@lemm.ee 63 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That would provide homeless people with 1 possible point of comfort, can’t have that.

[–] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 2 months ago (7 children)

Is that why we hate Soviet housing so much, because it gave the homeless dignity, shelter and comfort?

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[–] tabris@lemmy.world 74 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm visiting Naples at the moment with my Italian boyfriend, and I remarked to him that Naples has a lot of places that people can just hang out without spending money, something that the UK has lost. Part of this is due to the climate, but also corporatism hasn't hit Italy as hard as other western countries. It really is a shame.

[–] reallykindasorta@slrpnk.net 64 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I wish society would put more into making the world work better for rule followers instead of focusing so much on punishing rule breaking (which often punishes everyone).

[–] KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 41 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I don't think being poor should be cause of being seen to be a rule breaker.

[–] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 28 points 2 months ago (2 children)

You target poor/homeless with laws aimed to "prevent loitering". The "rule breakers" are the people who simply are affected the most by the laws. Being poor shouldn't cause you to break rules but think about it, overdraft fees, late fees, etc all targeted at the poor. Like someone else said earlier the punishment is aimed at a symptom not the problem. It's why we're all here lamenting about how ridiculous it is.

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[–] Bruncvik@lemmy.world 64 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Removing public amenities is just the first step. The next step is to erect fencing around public parks and other spots where people like to enjoy themselves. Source: living in Dublin "the city centre is for working and shopping only" Ireland.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 45 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)
[–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 42 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Fuckin trashbag the more you read about him.

Motherfucker purposely built the bridges for local streets going over the highways much lower than avg to prevent buses (and thus poorer folks) from being able to get to Jones beach: https://www.nycurbanism.com/blog/2020/7/28/robert-moses-low-parkway-bridges

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 56 points 2 months ago

You know how in the south, they closed public pools instead of desegregating because they would rather have no pools than let black people swim?

That impulse didn't go away. And it wasn't limited to the south and their hatred of black people.

[–] rustyfish@lemmy.world 55 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Reminds me of that story about a sports field that got weird „opening hours“ because some old fuck nearby didn’t like the children being noisy near his house. After some months it got turned into a parking lot because „no one was using the sports field“.

Bro, I hate children too. But you have to draw the line at lung cancer.

[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 27 points 2 months ago

That's kind of my head canon of why the park near my parent's house no longer has benches. It's three blocks away from a school, and kids/teens would hang out there.

Guessing some Karen whose house faced the park flipped their shit.

[–] sleen@lemmy.zip 25 points 2 months ago

So he hates the noise the youth made, but is ok with people revving to the extremes.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 48 points 2 months ago

Hopefully it's because they're putting in new benches made from the bones of real estate tycoons ❤️💖

[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 44 points 2 months ago

They got rid of them at the bus stop near me. There used to be an indoor space for people to wait in, but they closed that down. And this is in Alaska. Having to wait a half an hour for the bus to arrive after taken a shower is a shitty way to wake up.

[–] Rolando@lemmy.world 36 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The boring-dystopia solution: a company that rents out chairs, and records everything that happens around those chairs for training AIs.

[–] sleen@lemmy.zip 19 points 2 months ago

Their excuse, 'for the safety of children'.

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[–] sweetpotato@lemmy.ml 31 points 2 months ago

It's as if they don't want you to be able to get out of your house and socialise except for some paid time at private properties (cafes, restaurants etc). And no this isn't just a US problem, it's a Europe problem as well.

[–] JadenSmith@sh.itjust.works 31 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I've bought a camping stool recently. It folds up and small enough to put in a backpack.

I have twisted discs and find it difficult sometimes to find a seat. Sucks. But man, I can't recommend camping stools enough! I love this thing.

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[–] Hupf 29 points 2 months ago (2 children)
[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 25 points 2 months ago (2 children)

to be fair, it's the NIMBY people complaining to the state about those people, and then the ordinances being passed

[–] WHYAREWEALLCAPS@fedia.io 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Then there's the whole corporate aspect. How can you expect corporate businesses to drive people to be in their stores if you let them loiter around outside on government provided benches? If the only place to sit is in a Starbucks and they require you to buy something to stay in the store, well...

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[–] Copernican@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (9 children)

Guys. I am pretty sure that is Moynihan train station next to Penn Station. People sitting on the floor are literally leaning against the stairs down to the track. Thats is where people lineup to go on the train when it arrives at the station. Of course you don't put benches there. In this station there is a seating area where all you need to do is show your train ticket. On the other side there's a food hall with lots of public seating. There just isn't seating directly where all the foot traffic is. I take trains in the North East corridor on Amtrak somewhat often. There's seats there. Just not where seating would obstruct movement on and off the train platforms.

[–] BlackDragon@slrpnk.net 21 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Of course you don’t put benches there.

I'm not following. Why not? This is clearly a place where people gather and then wait for a period of time long enough to feel that sitting is necessary. Provide a fucking place for them to sit, it's not complicated

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[–] uis@lemm.ee 16 points 2 months ago (4 children)

seating area where all you need to do is show your train ticket

This is still fucked

On the other side there's a food hall with lots of public seating.

"GIVE YOUR MONEY!"

Just not where seating would obstruct movement on and off the train platforms.

All I see is huge open area. You can even put them right on platform.

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[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 22 points 2 months ago

Just imagine if we used the many resources for removing these or creating benches that can't be laid on and instead focused them on fixing. the. housing. crisis. or any other multitude of problems that get kicked down the road so everyone suffers more together.

[–] VelvetStorm@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Ya, I would love some public restrooms and urinals.

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[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Come to Oslo. Public seating everywhere. I really do miss it when I'm traveling to certain other cities, like Rome

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[–] umbraroze@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago

I've had bad feet since teen years, and I'm in my 40s now, which means sitting down once in a while is no longer just a suggestion. One of my big whinges (practicing whinging in case I ever get old) is that there's just not damn enough public benches. And I live in a city that has public benches and has brought them back. A little bit.

[–] bitwaba@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

And somehow there's more homeless people and vagrants

It's about as successful as the war on drugs. Or the war on Emus.

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