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A Palestinian man was found dead in a park in the Belgian city of Antwerp with his hands and feet tied, leaving the cause of his death a mystery amid authorities’ suggestion that it may have been a suicide.

"Suicide."

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[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 121 points 2 months ago (3 children)

It seems police could come up with a better lie.

[–] lugal@lemmy.ml 34 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Like clan criminality or something. If a foreigner dies it has to have been another foreigner

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 20 points 2 months ago

Not actually sure if Palestinians still do clan structure.

Palestine has historically been an incredibly urban region and Palestinian dialect is significantly different from dialects spoken by arabs in regions where clan structure is more entrenched.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 2 points 2 months ago
[–] pyre@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

this is the way of police saying "we approve of this". they don't believe it same therefore know that not even a cop would be dumb enough to believe it, so how would the general public believe it at all? they know no one would. but they say this because they want to signal that they don't give a shit, is not outright encourage it, without saying it explicitly.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 2 points 2 months ago

I know. It's sad and sick. I think they also do it to discourage anyone from protesting. We could pull ourselves together and surprise police, politicians, corporations with massive protests -- if we could be bothered.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Why? What are we gonna do, arrest them?

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I read it as sarcasm, since that's also a popular police scapegoat, but who knows with Poe's law?

[–] NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth 4 points 2 months ago

With carrots

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 85 points 2 months ago

Ahh yes, suicide by bondage.

[–] faizalr@fedia.io 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)

But it doesn't make sense.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 57 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Like the British spy who was found dead, locked inside a gym bag, with a padlock on the outside. It was ruled a suicide.

Cops don't even try to make up plausible explanations when they don't want to address an issue.

[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 months ago (2 children)

that's one houdini ass suicide...

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Though to be fair, if I had the skills and inclination to do that, there’s not a chance I’d do it normally

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Ass-suicide? Reasonably sure suicide applies to the whole body!

[–] reinei@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No no! They were talking about the police chili last night! That was some serious ass-suicide this morning ...

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 3 points 2 months ago

That sounds more like a targeted ass-ass-ination.

[–] Longpork3@lemmy.nz 1 points 2 months ago

Counterpoint to that, the guy had a known history of locking himself inside those things and trying to escape as a challenge.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago (2 children)

"Sui" means self, and "cide" means kill, and the man who died was he, himself.

I don't get what you're not understanding.

[–] And009@reddthat.com 2 points 2 months ago

All that mysterious nature of it

[–] SoJB@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 months ago (4 children)

“There is no such thing as a ‘lesser evil’ when the result is genocide”

“Yes there is”

  • a completely unironic liberal take I saw highly upvoted just today that this reminded me of.

Eventually you are the evil, and that moment passed a long time ago.

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 40 points 2 months ago (6 children)

I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

Martin Luther King Jr., Letter from the Birmingham Jail

https://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham.html

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[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

do you want more genocide, or less genocide?

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

“There is no such thing as a ‘lesser evil’ when the result is genocide”

“Yes there is”

a completely unironic liberal take I saw highly upvoted just today that this reminded me of.

Eventually you are the evil, and that moment passed a long time ago.

Do you regard the Soviets and the Nazis as equally evil?

[–] solo@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Do you regard the Soviets and the Nazis as equally evil?

I'm not too sure how constructive this question is. They have different characteristics for sure and this is enough for me, in terms of analysis.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (22 children)

It's very constructive. Soviets and Nazis both committed genocide. But anyone with a shred of morality should have no hesitation, if it's down to the wire and only the two of them to choose from, which one should side with. The Soviets, if that wasn't clear. The Soviets, awful as they were, and even though they were quite literally genocidal - on multiple occasions, on a massive scale - are very much the lesser evil compared to the Nazis. The idea that there is no 'lesser evil' when genocide is involved on both sides as a matter of general principle would necessarily imply that the Soviets and the Nazis are equally evil, which is fundamentally absurd on its face.

It's a hollow argument trotted out to make "LIBERALS BAD FOR FOREIGN POLICY" sound more profound; it's not a sincerely held principle, and the inability to answer that challenge displays that.

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Soviets and Nazis both committed genocide.

Wait untill you hear about what happened to the indigenous Americans.

Or, indigenous Australians.

Or, pretty much everywhere the British "discovered".

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Wait untill you hear about what happened to the indigenous Americans.

Or, indigenous Australians.

Or, pretty much everywhere the British “discovered”.

What does that have to do with my point?

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I entirely misread your argument the first time.

I actually agree with you.

I was initially dismissive because of the old "are X as evil as Nazi's?" As that's usually a disingenuous argument. Selecting the Soviet Union as another "evil" is almost always American anti-communist nonsense too.

I shall go and correct my other comment.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

No worries, it happens. I went to Nazis because no one worth taking seriously disputes that Nazis are both genocidal and some of the worst scum of the earth to ever disgrace this planet, so it avoids an argument over whether Side A is REALLY that bad. The number of cretins as vile as the Nazis is very small - and so frees Side B to be a legitimately evil, yet indisputably less evil, contrast.

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[–] mlg@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Someone tried to argue with me that Kamala will genuinely try to make a ceasefire happen, right after she banned Palestinians from talking at the DNC rally.

His evidence that the "uncommitted voters" supported Kamala was that they backed her campaign in their speech...... which was the one banned from being presented because it was pro Palestinian........

I still haven't replied to that thread because I genuinely don't know how to explain to this person that their candidate lied to them, and clearly has no interest in ending the genocide.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Who should Americans vote for president in November?

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Fascism, because that will allow online tankies to feel better about taking a reactionary "AMERICA BAD" position on every issue.

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[–] rekabis@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The fact that the deceased man had his hands and feet tied at the time of his death has led many in the public, including investigators, to treat the death as murder.

So, not immediately being dismissed as a suicide?

Amazing.

Belgian investigators might actually be rubbing more than two functional neurons together, and are realizing how stupid they would look if they actually punted the suicide angle.

Officials, however, continue their illustrious tradition of running entirely functional-neuron-free.

[–] Neon@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Der Mann sei an einem Baum gehangen, allerdings ging die Polizei zunächst nicht von einem Suizid, sondern von einem Verbrechen aus.

Dude, if even The Blick is a more credible news site, your source is a huge pile of garbage.

Am Donnerstagnachmittag erklärte Kato Belmans, die Sprecherin der Staatsanwaltschaft, dass ein Drittverschulden nicht ausgeschlossen werden kann. Daher ordnete die Staatsanwaltschaft einen Ermittlungsrichter wegen Mordes an. Eine Verzweiflungstat könne derzeit aber ebenso nicht ausgeschlossen werden. «Untersuchungen des Labors und des Gerichtsmediziners zeigen, dass noch alle Möglichkeiten offen sind», betont Belmans. «Die Hintergründe des Todes werden im weiteren gerichtlichen Ermittlungsverfahren untersucht.»

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