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[–] Zexks@lemmy.world 90 points 3 months ago (8 children)

It’s a studies thing. Conservatives are unable to grasp irony or sarcasm. It’s one of the reasons Steven Colbert stopped his show. The people he was mocking were holding his character up as someone to aspire to.

[–] pythonoob@programming.dev 33 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] pyre@lemmy.world 39 points 3 months ago (1 children)

yep, conservatives watched him unironically.

[–] MidRomney@lemmy.world 39 points 3 months ago

I watched The Colbert Report for years with my mom before realizing that she was just straight up agreeing with the things he was saying.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 20 points 3 months ago

Colbert's parody of a right wing weirdo was actually fairly tame compared to the actual right wing weirdos of today.

He got out at the right time, there's no way he could say things crazier than what Trump and his minions are saying every day.

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[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 77 points 3 months ago (10 children)

A lot of quintessentially American things are anti-American

"Born in the USA," Bruce Springsteen in general, "Rambo," Mark Twain, "Monopoly," MTV, et cetera

The arc goes:

  • US system is bullshit
  • Someone points it out in an artistic work
  • People love it and the thing they made gets popular
  • System goes "hey we love that you're buying this please do it more" and promotes it under a guise of it not being directed squarely at them, with some skillful edits
  • Thing gets even more popular with more exposure, in its edited (backwards) form, to the point that the original is often semi-forgotten

Being against the bullshit is an American trait. Unfortunately, the bullshit has become more powerful than the against, hence all these problems we have now.

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 82 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Rambo: First Blood was a critique of a system that has failed its war veterans. The sequels abandoned all that 70s new-cinema moral ambiguity, making Rambo into a Reagan-era anticommunist superhero, a sort of James Bond for people who are suspicious of subtlety.

[–] Ashiette@lemmy.world 38 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The same goes for Karate Kid...

I loved how it portreyed Miyagi as a sad man who lost wife and child to the internment camps, while he was serving the US and his medal is a bitter reminder of that fact.

In Cobra Kai is was "War Medal fuck yeah ! Miyagi best veteran, we must protect the patriotic legacy !"

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 21 points 3 months ago

Then in the remakes, they replaced him with Mr. Han (as in Han Chinese), for the same reason why superhero films have scenes set in Shenzhen: because if you don’t angle for a piece of the Chinese market, you’re failing in your fiduciary duty to your shareholders.

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 31 points 3 months ago

Rambo was a masterpiece. The sequels were fanatic patriotism porn.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

James Bond for people who are suspicious of subtlety.

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[–] PlaidBaron@lemmy.world 23 points 3 months ago (4 children)

This Land is Your Land is also not the patriotic song people think it is. At least, not in the way people think it is.

[–] dexa_scantron@lemmy.world 28 points 3 months ago

There was a big high wall there that tried to stop me; Sign was painted, it said private property; But on the back side it didn't say nothing; This land was made for you and me.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

This land is my land
This land ain't your land
I got a shotgun
And you ain't got one

If you don't get off
I'll blow your head off
This land was made for only me

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[–] snooggums@midwest.social 14 points 3 months ago

Americans criticizing America is not anti-American.

[–] captainWhatsHisName@lemm.ee 14 points 3 months ago

I noticed that a large number of children’s shows, especially Christmas shows, are about evil corporations trying to take over and ruin something or pollute the world. These shows are then shown by evil media corporations which show commercials by other evil corporations.

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[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 71 points 3 months ago (13 children)

Starship troopers was made by the same guy who made RoboCop another movie whose message goes over people's heads. RoboCop is about privatization, police militarization, lack of government oversight, and corporate greed.

[–] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 25 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Like .. so many movies from that time period are grotesque warnings about "unfathomably" wealthy and powerful corps running the world. Pure scifi/fantasy at it's best, right?

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[–] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I watched robocop way too early and same with starship troopers. I totally understood the robocop message, but somehow not the starship troopers one.

[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

As someone who grew up in a country which was invaded and fucked with by the u.s, I got starship troopers right away.

P.s: isn't it crazy that we grew up watching RoboCop (a hyper violent and gory movie) as kids, and they even used to make kids toys about R rated movies like RoboCop and Rambo. You don't see that anymore. They used to full on market those movies to kids.

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[–] rainynight65 70 points 3 months ago (2 children)

'Born in the USA' did not 'fail to convey' what it was about. It was just wilfully misinterpreted.

[–] Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 51 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Just like a lot of people somehow misinterpret Rage Against the Machine.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 50 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I still can't believe how POLITICAL they got during BLM! They should just stick to singing songs about how law enforcement agencies often hire racist pieces of shit and justify their murders with patriotic bullshit and I like the part where they say, "fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!"

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 16 points 3 months ago

They should just stick to singing songs about how law enforcement agencies often hire racist pieces of shit and justify their murders with patriotic

There’s a reason it was used as a Blue Lives Matter theme

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[–] _thebrain_@sh.itjust.works 63 points 3 months ago (8 children)

Not the point of this post but I think starship troopers did an excellent job of skewering the military, government, and the whole propaganda machine.

[–] Covoid@lemm.ee 35 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah it's not the movies fault that people have zero media literacy

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 25 points 3 months ago (10 children)

Paul Verhoeven did a beautiful job of critiquing fascism. I can't help it that my fellow citizens are stupid other than to vote for more money in education.

I'm doing my part.

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[–] Moah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 3 months ago

Mobile infantry made me the man I am today!

[–] Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago

The book was seriously bleak. The movie was a let down in that way. I had a few friends who couldn't understand how the humans were just as bad as the bugs. In the book it really was everybody fights.

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[–] bjorney@lemmy.ca 55 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Not quite the same, but London calling was similarly used for tourism ads among other things

[–] CodexArcanum@lemmy.world 40 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Not exactly the same thing but megahit Gangnam Style is a critique of bourgeoisie culture in South Korea and the trendy Gangnam district. It'd be like if there was a song called Times Square about what a commercialized pile of capitalist shit that place is, with a funny dance and music video.

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[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 38 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 18 points 3 months ago

The MI doesn't want any bone spurs either.

[–] Rinox@feddit.it 30 points 3 months ago

In Italy we have "vieni a ballare in Puglia" by Caparezza.

The title means "Come dance in Puglia" but the song lyrics are a criticism of the working conditions in the Italian region, where health regulations are not respected and people keep dying on the job while they are asked to smile and dance for the tourists. The song makes sense when you replace the word "dance" with "die".

Though it's a tarantella and very catchy, so it's used as a funny song for tourists ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

https://youtu.be/EDCHk6JhFzQ

[–] Microw@lemm.ee 25 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Yes, it's probably a quite global phenomenon.

"I am from Austria" by Rainhard Fendrich includes a line saying "I know the people, I know the rats, the blatant stupidity". So it's quite obviously critical of Austrian society, and was written with the purpose of uniting Austrians against Naziism.

Of course the rightwing parties are stupid enough to use it.

[–] LwL@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Now I'm wondering if the AfD plays Rammstein's Deutschland...

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[–] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 23 points 3 months ago (10 children)

do other countries [...] both political parties

No, other countries tend to have 0, 1, or way more than 2 parties

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[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 17 points 3 months ago (5 children)

I think Starship Troopers is understood well as a satire of fascism(and an awesome bug-shooty movie), while I have heard every 4th of July parade unironically blasting pro-war songs alongside born in the USA.

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[–] NessD@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

We have one called "Westerland". It's a song - played by people visiting Sylt, an island where mostly elitist live and rich white people go on vacation. In one verse, they sing "And every person next to me is as dumb as I am.". The irony is lost to them as the chorus is "I want to be back in Westerland".

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[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 11 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I think its universal, really. Americans just feel like its worse here cause we're, well, experiencing it here. Most people are idiots, thats just how it is - we just see it more because the internet lets us interact outside our personal social bubbles.

Its like that meme about expertise, take your concept of "knowing nothing" and cut that in half then you'll be close to most peoples level.

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[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

To be fair, what group of 330M+ is?

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